Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

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Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

Postby metoo » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:47 pm

Yesterday (June 13) travelling south on Union rd in West Seneca NY near route 400. I saw, I believe was, an NS manifest train with a large number of Wheeling & Lake Erie two bay open hopper cars loaded with coal heading in to Buffalo.

Could somebody more knowledgeable enlighten me were these coal cars were heading?


Also saw this old timer on same train
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Re: wheeling and lake erie coal hoppers on ns in wny

Postby ACM » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:05 pm

Any chance the coal is headed to Somerset?
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Re: Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

Postby nydepot » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:29 pm

Sounds like the coke train that's been running.
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Re: Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

Postby NYCRRson » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:32 am

Yes, probably coal for the coke plant in the Town of Tonawanda (near the South Grand Island Bridge).

Coal for Somerset would be in hoppers equipped with rotary couplers (usually have one end painted yellow, or with a yellow stripe).
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Re: Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

Postby thebigham » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:00 pm

nydepot wrote:Sounds like the coke train that's been running.


Yes.

They are B&P trains.
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Re: Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

Postby lvrr325 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:14 pm

Two bay hoppers? Didn't those stop being used like 35 years ago?
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Re: Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

Postby Matt Langworthy » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:32 am

I saw 2 bay hoppers on several trains while I was out in Bellevue, OH last month.
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Re: Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

Postby BR&P » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:45 am

I can't speak to the car in the pic. But 2-pocket cars are quite common in some services hauling product of a dense or heavy nature. For example, ground sand has more weight per cubic foot than corn. If you filled up a common grain hopper with powdered cement it would be overweight. Smaller cars usually indicate a heavy or denser commodity.
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Re: Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

Postby lvrr325 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:31 am

Pretty sure nobody is using these hoppers anymore.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... x?id=69598


Hoppers like this, sure:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1345014


But the title of the thread says coal hoppers. 2 bay coal hoppers? Have been obsolete for nearly 40 years. I guess it helps to read the title, I forget sometimes you need to spell stuff out like you're dealing with young children.


FWIW, when I look at WE open hoppers, I get three bay cars, like this:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1753393

I see a couple 4 bays in there but all the rest are 3 bay. Seven pages on there of roster shots of WE hoppers.
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Re: Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

Postby nydepot » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:41 am

Take it easy, Bill!

lvrr325 wrote:But the title of the thread says coal hoppers. 2 bay coal hoppers? Have been obsolete for nearly 40 years. I guess it helps to read the title, I forget sometimes you need to spell stuff out like you're dealing with young children.
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Re: Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

Postby BR&P » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:13 am

Yes, the thread title is about coal hoppers. I guess you missed this disclaimer just before the B&M pic:

Also saw this old timer on same train


Two separate and distinct topics in the same thread. But like you said, sometimes you gotta spell it all out, or folks miss that.
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Re: Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

Postby metoo » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:01 pm

forgive please

my railroad knowledge not very well

i am typing slower to be better understood

i will post no more have offended betters to much
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Re: Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

Postby BR&P » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:59 pm

metoo wrote:forgive please

my railroad knowledge not very well

i am typing slower to be better understood

i will post no more have offended betters to much


Don't worry, it's not you.
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Re: Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

Postby Leo_Ames » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:40 pm

lvrr325 wrote:Pretty sure nobody is using these hoppers anymore.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... x?id=69598


Hoppers like this, sure:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1345014


But the title of the thread says coal hoppers. 2 bay coal hoppers? Have been obsolete for nearly 40 years. I guess it helps to read the title, I forget sometimes you need to spell stuff out like you're dealing with young children.


FWIW, when I look at WE open hoppers, I get three bay cars, like this:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1753393

I see a couple 4 bays in there but all the rest are 3 bay. Seven pages on there of roster shots of WE hoppers.


They have more modern looking two bay hoppers like these.

http://www.csxthsociety.org/images/ball ... areyoh.jpg

http://www.csxthsociety.org/images/ball ... areyoh.jpg

I assume cars like these are what the subject of the thread is about.
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Re: Wheeling & Lake Erie coal hoppers on NS in WNY

Postby lvrr325 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:37 am

Those aren't coal hoppers.
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