WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby D40LF » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:58 pm

I saw this article arguing against selecting CRRC for the 8K contract. CRRC probably will submit a bid, and they are known to undercut their competitors when it comes to price, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/ ... -risk.html
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby davinp » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:26 am

frequentflyer wrote:How are the 7K and 8K cars improved over the "reliable" 6K model. Other than aesthetics.


Good question. As you know, the 7K and 8K are more technically advanced then the 6K. So, if the 6K gets rehabilitated they would have to make them compatible with the 7K/8K cars. New technology is not always reliable when it first comes out.

Alstrom, a Japanese company built 6K and rehab the 2K/3K. We know Japanese cars are more reliable then other countries
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby YOLO » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:41 pm

davinp wrote:Alstrom, a Japanese company built 6K and rehab the 2K/3K. We know Japanese cars are more reliable then other countries


Alstom is a French company
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby mtuandrew » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:39 pm

I had a Toyota once that had a crap electrical system, so maybe that isn’t such a great comparison. (To say nothing of the Nippon Sharyo bilevel kerfuffle.)

Mostly the CAF 5k cars were lemons, along with whoever built the 4K cars.
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby Sand Box John » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:31 am

The 4ks were never mid life rehabilitated.
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby Angry Homer » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:27 pm

mtuandrew wrote:I had a Toyota once that had a crap electrical system, so maybe that isn’t such a great comparison. (To say nothing of the Nippon Sharyo bilevel kerfuffle.)

Mostly the CAF 5k cars were lemons, along with whoever built the 4K cars.


Breda made them, same as the 2/3Ks. Most problems can be narrowed down to:
    DC chopper propulsion and analog doors in a '90s built railcar.
    No mid life rehab.
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby Backshophoss » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:19 pm

CRRC will be barred from bidding, Senate critters have a bill barring CRRC from bidding on transit/commuter car contracts.
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Could a Chinese-made Metro car spy on us?

Postby davinp » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:53 am

The 8000 series cars will likely be manufactured by a Chinese company and US officials are worried that they could spy on us.

Metro recently decided to add cybersecurity safeguards to specifications for a contract it will award later this year for its next-generation rail cars following warnings that China’s state-owned rail car manufacturer could win the deal by undercutting other bidders.

No U.S. company makes subway cars, so China competes in that market against companies from Asia, Europe and Canada

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/tr ... aaf2e3c246
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Re: Could a Chinese-made Metro car spy on us?

Postby STrRedWolf » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:48 pm

The first few would be made in China, but the company would require to open up a shop here in the US. If they're spying on us, it's because WMATA would design the car with cameras, and China slipped in a board to archive the video (ultra-compressed) and dribble it out through Wifi and maybe LTE.

Would it be worth doing? Not really. China wants technology, intellectual property, stuff it can rip off and make knock-offs of. Train cars aren't full of such secrets; they're full of people dealing with politics. They're more likely to spy on BART, VTA, MTA Maryland, and maybe NYC MTA than WMATA.
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Re: Could a Chinese-made Metro car spy on us?

Postby mtuandrew » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:16 am

Moderator Note: we mentioned this back in November in the 8k thread, so these posts are going there.
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Re: WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

Postby davinp » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:26 am

Sand Box John wrote:The 4ks were never mid life rehabilitated.


Metro didn't rehab the 4Ks because they ran out of money. The cars were already outdated when they bought them.
If Metro had rehab them and better maintained them, they would have been more reliable.
The last straw was when they discovered that they could possibly speed up and they did not have the tools to test it as recommended by the manufacturer.
Now that the 4Ks are 27 years old, it doesn't make sense to spend money on it especially since they only had 100 of them and have bought new railcars.
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