SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Postby ChesterValley » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:51 pm

Arsenal interlocking is being repaired for the next couple weeks during SEPTA's southwest connection program. But this means that Wilmington/Newark trains are being funneled into the lower level of 30th street. Which brings me to this question, how will SEPTA deal with the gate concourse flaw at 30th street's lower level?
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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Postby andrewjw » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:51 am

What gate concourse flaw on the lower level? They don't run trains to the lower level in regular service, I don't expect any ring of steel to be emplaced down there. I suspect that in the case of a disruption causing this reroute in the future they will station ticket checkers at the elevators and staircases.
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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Postby JeffersonLeeEng » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:09 am

There are no early adopter stations on the Wilmington Line anyway.
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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Postby MichaelBug » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:18 am

JeffersonLeeEng wrote:There are no early adopter stations on the Wilmington Line anyway.


That is true. But what if an Early Adopter (whose "home station" is on another line that is part of the pilot, say for example, Lansdale) with a Anywhere TrailPass-enabled Key card, decides to take a ride to Wilmington?
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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Postby JeffersonLeeEng » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:34 am

MichaelBug wrote:
JeffersonLeeEng wrote:There are no early adopter stations on the Wilmington Line anyway.


That is true. But what if an Early Adopter (whose "home station" is on another line that is part of the pilot, say for example, Lansdale) with a Anywhere TrailPass-enabled Key card, decides to take a ride to Wilmington?


They tap out on the fare gates on the upper level and then show their Key card to the on-board conductor who will most likely have their own mobile device to check for validity...

Same as when key card holders with a transpass use it on the airport line or on the weekends...
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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Postby JimBoylan » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:37 am

To be an Early Adopter, the passenger will have to have a Zone 4 Trail Pass. I don't know if an Anywhere Pass can be loaded on a Key Card for Aug., 2018.
http://septa.org/key/updates/rail-early-adopter.html wrote:Zone 4 TrailPass Customers who travel from one of the 19 stations listed below are invited to join the Future of Fare Payment.
EARLY ADOPTERS PROGRAM:
Buy a SEPTA Key Card & purchase a Monthly Zone 4 Trail Pass
August Monthly Zone 4 TrailPasses for your new Key Card go on sale starting July 20th
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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Postby MichaelBug » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:12 am

JimBoylan wrote:To be an Early Adopter, the passenger will have to have a Zone 4 Trail Pass. I don't know if an Anywhere Pass can be loaded on a Key Card for Aug., 2018.
http://septa.org/key/updates/rail-early-adopter.html wrote:Zone 4 TrailPass Customers who travel from one of the 19 stations listed below are invited to join the Future of Fare Payment.
EARLY ADOPTERS PROGRAM:
Buy a SEPTA Key Card & purchase a Monthly Zone 4 Trail Pass
August Monthly Zone 4 TrailPasses for your new Key Card go on sale starting July 20th



I am a daily rider from North Wales, one of the pilot Zone 4 Early Adopter stations. Currently, SEPTA sells Zones 1, 2, 3, & Anywhere TrailPasses - that's it. There no longer are any separate Zone 4 or Zone NJ passes. We use Anywhere passes instead.
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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Postby MACTRAXX » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:57 pm

JB and Everyone: Currently Zone 4 and Zone NJ riders use "Anywhere" legacy passes.

To better describe this subject SEPTA should have mentioned "Zone 4 riders that now purchase
Anywhere legacy passes can purchase new August passes under the Key early adopter program"

Earlier in this decade SEPTA eliminated Zone 5. The current Zone 4 was created by placing all of
the Zone 5 stations in this newly-formed zone along with some outer stations that were situated
in the previous Zone 4. Some former Zone 4 stations were placed in an even larger Zone 3.
Another zone change was the introduction of Zone NJ for Trenton and West Trenton only.

Examples: On the Lansdale-Doylestown Line Penllyn and Gwynedd Valley were moved into Zone 3
while North Wales remained in Zone 4. On the Warminster Line Hatboro and Warminster went from
Zone 4 to Zone 3 placing the entire branch into one fare zone.

Cross County legacy passes and Transpasses (available only by mail or from outside sales outlets)
are the other pass types that currently remain for sale.

Giving up what the SEPTA Legacy passes offer - namely unlimited rides without any cap limitation
- is not going to be easy - I would stay with Legacy pass types as long as they remain available.
There is no real current incentive to switch to the Key and get less (caps) for the same money.

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