Black Diamond Diner, made from Alco cab, near Trumansburg

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Black Diamond Diner, made from Alco cab, near Trumansburg

Postby SteelRail » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:47 pm

Since this forum covers "Pertaining to all railroading subjects, past and present, in New York State. ", here's a railroad subject from the past that I spotted presently in NY State.

It wasn't open at the time, so I couldn't inquire about the heritage of the cab and chopped nose. Does anyone have those details?

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Re: Interesting sighting near Trumansburg, NY

Postby Otto Vondrak » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:12 pm

Just, wow.
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Re: Interesting sighting near Trumansburg, NY

Postby SteelRail » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:38 pm

From studying the pictures I took, the window arrangement matches an RS-2 cab. The nose appears to be a fabrication, though.
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"Black Diamond Diner", Upstate NY, made from an Alco cab.

Postby scottychaos » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:11 pm

This is different!

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Someone just posted this on a facebook group..(not this exact photo..photo above is from instagram)
The person who posted the photo on facebook wasnt exactly sure where they were, when they took the photo..
they were on a family drive looking for apples..They think it was near Oneida lake..

Google brings up virtually nothing about this diner! So im guessing its probably quite new,
perhaps created just this past summer..
What little google info there is suggests it might be Trumansburg, NY..(quite a ways from Oneida lake! ;) but who knows..)

It definitely is *not* remains of the real LV No. 212, because LV 212-1 and 212-2 were an Alco RS2 and RS3, respectively.
And this is clearly the cab and hood/nose portion from an Alco S-series switcher, or an Alco RS1.
Its probably not really a LV locomotive..

Anyone know anything about this interesting diner?

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Re: "Black Diamond Diner", Upstate NY, made from an Alco cab

Postby scottychaos » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:28 pm

Photos of the other side of the cab show it is almost certainty from an RS1.
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Re: "Black Diamond Diner", Upstate NY, made from an Alco cab

Postby scottychaos » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:44 pm

SteelRail wrote:Psst: viewtopic.php?f=128&t=152822


'doh! totally did not see that!
(perhaps Otto can merge the two threads?)

Defiantly from an Alco RS1..both sides of the cab confirm RS1, not an Alco S-series.
and it's not an RS2 or RS3, as they had a totally different roof line.

The small "nose" on the diner is almost certainty one end of the RS1, just cut really short
and re-attached to the cab.

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Re: "Black Diamond Diner", Upstate NY, made from an Alco cab

Postby mainetrain » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:01 pm

Bet the smoked meat is awesome :wink:
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Re: "Black Diamond Diner", Upstate NY, made from an Alco cab

Postby Kendaia1 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:11 pm

Scot, that diner is located on Rt. 89, Trumansburg. Right at the intersection with King St., not far at all from the former LV Station site, where we were this past spring.

I drove by a couple weeks ago, and could hardly believe my eyes when I saw that red cab and the LV diamond on the front. Unfortunately I couldnt stop, and haven't been back that way since.

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Re: "Black Diamond Diner", Upstate NY, made from an Alco cab

Postby scottychaos » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:59 pm

Three Alco RS1's were scrapped in Morgantown, Maryland a few months ago..(Summer 2013)
at least two were originally Washington Terminal units:

http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?2,356885

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.ph ... 2&start=15

This Alco cab in Trumansburg could be from one of them..
im looking for photos to try to match up features..

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Re: "Black Diamond Diner", Upstate NY, made from an Alco cab

Postby SteelRail » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:14 pm

RS1's had smaller windows on the left side of the cab. The RS2's had more symmetrical windows. That's why I thought that was an RS2 cab, not RS1.
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Re: "Black Diamond Diner", Upstate NY, made from an Alco cab

Postby scottychaos » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:53 pm

SteelRail wrote:RS1's had smaller windows on the left side of the cab. The RS2's had more symmetrical windows. That's why I thought that was an RS2 cab, not RS1.


But it's not the side windows that tell the tale! ;)
there are much better spotting features..
RS2's and RS3's have the rounded roof profile, "rounded over" where the front wall meets the top of the roof, with no overhang like the RS1 cab:

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The RS2 and RS3 cab is very different from the RS1 cab..
It's definitely a RS1, and defiantly not a RS2 or RS3..no question.

The RS1 shares this same basic style of cab with the Alco S-series switchers..S1 through S6 models, and T6.
but in this case, with the cab in Trumansburg, we can tell it must be from an RS1, and not an S-series switcher,
because it doesnt have the S-series back end:

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instead it has a plate where the long hood of the RS1 would have been, and a door on the side, rather than in the center.
So, the only logical conclusion is: Alco RS1 cab, it's the only thing that fits.

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Re: Interesting sighting near Trumansburg, NY

Postby bwparker1 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:23 am

Otto Vondrak wrote:Just, wow.


AGREED. WOW.
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Re: Black Diamond Diner, made from Alco cab, near Trumansbur

Postby scottychaos » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:43 am

Thanks for the merge Otto! Image
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Re: Black Diamond Diner, made from Alco cab, near Trumansbur

Postby SteelRail » Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:34 pm

Thanks for setting me straight on the roof lines.

Next time I see it open when I drive by, I'll see if the person there can give me any info as to the heritage.

I wonder how easy these cabs are to come by? One would make a fun playhouse in the back yard...
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Re: Black Diamond Diner, made from Alco cab, near Trumansbur

Postby roadster » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:44 pm

I spoke withe owner on Sunday Oct. 13, while on my fall MC ride through the Finger Lakes. Needless to say it caught my attention and I just had to stop for a dog and soda. He confirmed it was an RS 1 cab, and talked about RS1's built for Russia during WWII. I believe the sale was cancelled at the end of the war and those RS1's were sold to US roads. He got busy with customers so it was difficult to chat much. A very nice gentleman. He is actually looking for a couple of 8 ft pieces of light rail or trolley rail to add to the front of his structure. Obviously a seasonal business, he's only been open sunny weekends recently. If you are in the Ithica area take Rt. 89 north, it's about a mile and a half past the Taughannock Falls State Park.
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