Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby CRail » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:39 pm

They are not F40-2s. The only -2 that’s no longer active was wrecked in 1990.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby GP40MC1118 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:19 pm

Two MBB coaches stored at Davisville, R.U. are now up at auction for scrap. The 513 & 1516

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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby jmar896 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:15 am

The common word has been the frames and floors of the MBBs are rotting out - from the pictures of the two being auctioned it looks like they were checked for that, and from a visual perspective they actually look to be in quite good shape. Hell, they look better than the frame of a 2011 F150 I worked on!
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby RenegadeMonster » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:48 am

Are the frames rotting out because they are in storage? Or is it a problem effecting the entire fleet and causing the retirement / Out Of Service status?
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby Backshophoss » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:36 pm

Believe it's an internal structure design of the MBBs,along the lines of a stucture defect that took out a NYCTA subway car fleet(Bad under frames).
That structure is NOT repairable.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby Otto Vondrak » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:31 pm

Can someone please help me with retirement and disposition dates for the following work engines? I'm trying to trace what happened to the former SEMTA diesel roster. Thanks in advance!

MBTA 901
MBTA 902
MBTA 903
MBTA 904
MBTA 905 (CNZR 905)

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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby BostonUrbEx » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:49 pm

The 904 still lives on as work train power, Otto! Considering she is the oldest engine on the property, even when accounting for rebuilds, she is incredibly reliable.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby Mass Coastal 2010 » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:25 pm

902 is now at IRM...been up there since 2014 or 2015.
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby diburning » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:34 pm

From what I can dig up on the internet; (so I can't vouch for the accuracy of this info)

MBTA 901 - Sold to GMRC. Forever sat on a dead line. Presumably scrapped for parts
MBTA 902 - Was operated by MBTA, had an electrical fire, sold to IRM.
MBTA 903 - Purchased as a parts unit, never operated for the MBTA.
MBTA 904 - Still in service
MBTA 905 (CNZR 905) - Most recent photo I saw was of it sitting on a siding with ex-MBTA 1922 in Connecticut. Presumably stashed there as a parts source
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby BandA » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:34 pm

Backshophoss wrote:Believe it's an internal structure design of the MBBs,along the lines of a stucture defect that took out a NYCTA subway car fleet(Bad under frames).
That structure is NOT repairable.
Why is the underframe not repairable? Just bolt or weld together some helper I-beams?

If it is an unsafe defect, why haven't the cars been condemned & removed immediately instead of being leased to CT?
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby Otto Vondrak » Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:17 am

diburning wrote:From what I can dig up on the internet; (so I can't vouch for the accuracy of this info)

MBTA 901 - Sold to GMRC. Forever sat on a dead line. Presumably scrapped for parts
MBTA 902 - Was operated by MBTA, had an electrical fire, sold to IRM.
MBTA 903 - Purchased as a parts unit, never operated for the MBTA.
MBTA 904 - Still in service
MBTA 905 (CNZR 905) - Most recent photo I saw was of it sitting on a siding with ex-MBTA 1922 in Connecticut. Presumably stashed there as a parts source


Thank you.

When was 901 sold to GMRC?

When was 905 sold to CNZR?

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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby GP40MC1118 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:20 am

Otto:

From my current roster:

901 GP10 EMD BN: 22856 Blt: 1/57 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 901, GTW GP9 4908
Notes: Rebuilt to GP10 by ICG/Paducah 1979/1980. Sold 10/93 to James Grant,Inc. (GMRC) and off-property
4/08/94. Departed Boston via Amtrak mid-June 1994. Destined North.Walpole, N.H. Moved 1997 to Burlington,
Vt. and stripped for parts. Down to just the frame by early 2000.

902 GP10 EMD BN: 22863 Blt: 1/57 FN: 5514-9 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 902, GTW GP9 4915
Notes: Rebuilt to GP10 by ICG/Paducah 1/80. Ditch lights installed 8/95. Cab Signals 3/96. Sold or donated 8/14
to Illinois Railroad Museum as IRMX 902. Departs 11/10/14. Arrives 1/19/15 via UP.

903 GP18 EMD BN: 25740 Blt: 3/60 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 903, GTW GP18 4950
Notes: Originally sold to BCLR 10/93, but sale fell through. Resold 10/94 to Naparano (N.J.).Remained unclaimed
as of 7/95, moved to Yard 7 East Cambridge, Ma. and scrapped. Gone by 8/04/95.

904 GP19 EMD BN: 25742 Blt: 3/60 FN: 5613-3 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 904, GTW GP18 4952
Notes: Rebuilt Peaker Services 7/81. Peaker rebuild plate shows it as a GP19. Ditch lights installed 7/95. Cab signals
5/96. ACSES installed 3/00 Readville, Ma.

905 GP10 EMD BN: 22139 Blt: 8/56 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 905, MBTA GP9 7559, CR 7559, PC 7559, NH 1229
Notes: Rebuilt 10/06/78 ICG/Paducah. (Note: Paducah plate shows 1/80). Originally sold to BCLR 10/93, but sale
fell through. Resold 10/94 to A.J. Belliveau RR Construction (Newington, Ct.). Shipped from Boston as CCCL 905
(Connecticut Central). Stored East Hartford, Ct. as of 1/04. Transferred to CNZR and move 3/09 to Bloomfield/Windsor
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby Backshophoss » Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:11 am

MassDOT cherry picked Some of the MBBs that were in fair enough condition for possible Springfield-Greenfield commuter service.
Then got ConnDOT to foot the repair bill on those cars! :P
There 're cars being used for the MBTA ACSES Test train service that are barely useable for any passenger service.
Any MBB's still at Seaview yard are long outdated airbrake wise and were not setup for storage ,"put away wet"
had some form of structure issues found by MBCR employees,during the contractor change over period .
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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby Otto Vondrak » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:43 pm

GP40MC1118 wrote:Otto:

From my current roster:

901 GP10 EMD BN: 22856 Blt: 1/57 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 901, GTW GP9 4908
Notes: Rebuilt to GP10 by ICG/Paducah 1979/1980. Sold 10/93 to James Grant,Inc. (GMRC) and off-property
4/08/94. Departed Boston via Amtrak mid-June 1994. Destined North.Walpole, N.H. Moved 1997 to Burlington,
Vt. and stripped for parts. Down to just the frame by early 2000.

902 GP10 EMD BN: 22863 Blt: 1/57 FN: 5514-9 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 902, GTW GP9 4915
Notes: Rebuilt to GP10 by ICG/Paducah 1/80. Ditch lights installed 8/95. Cab Signals 3/96. Sold or donated 8/14
to Illinois Railroad Museum as IRMX 902. Departs 11/10/14. Arrives 1/19/15 via UP.

903 GP18 EMD BN: 25740 Blt: 3/60 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 903, GTW GP18 4950
Notes: Originally sold to BCLR 10/93, but sale fell through. Resold 10/94 to Naparano (N.J.).Remained unclaimed
as of 7/95, moved to Yard 7 East Cambridge, Ma. and scrapped. Gone by 8/04/95.

904 GP19 EMD BN: 25742 Blt: 3/60 FN: 5613-3 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 904, GTW GP18 4952
Notes: Rebuilt Peaker Services 7/81. Peaker rebuild plate shows it as a GP19. Ditch lights installed 7/95. Cab signals
5/96. ACSES installed 3/00 Readville, Ma.

905 GP10 EMD BN: 22139 Blt: 8/56 Acquired: 2/10/87
Ex-SEMTA 905, MBTA GP9 7559, CR 7559, PC 7559, NH 1229
Notes: Rebuilt 10/06/78 ICG/Paducah. (Note: Paducah plate shows 1/80). Originally sold to BCLR 10/93, but sale
fell through. Resold 10/94 to A.J. Belliveau RR Construction (Newington, Ct.). Shipped from Boston as CCCL 905
(Connecticut Central). Stored East Hartford, Ct. as of 1/04. Transferred to CNZR and move 3/09 to Bloomfield/Windsor


Tremendously helpful. Thank you very much.

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Re: Retirements and Disposition of CR Equipment

Postby GP40MC1118 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:51 pm

Auction on the MBB coaches and the two F40's closed this afternoon:

Costello Dismantling won both groups:

1009 & 1014 - $4,050.00

MBB 513 & 1516 - $3,900.00
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