Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby backroadrails » Thu May 17, 2018 7:21 am

Not that it really applies but one of the storms we had this past winter, they sent out WAMA and between various issues it took them almost 6 days alone to do a round trip from Waterville to Mattawamkeag and return.
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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby artman » Thu May 17, 2018 12:33 pm

newpylong wrote:4 days to go 300 rail miles, really setting the bar high there.


Sounds like a day connecting in Waterville. A day in Portland and a day at Ayer?
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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby markyk » Thu May 17, 2018 5:50 pm

Elmskips with some of that water from Maine heading to North Jersey a few times per week.....stay tuned
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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby tonyschul » Thu May 17, 2018 9:53 pm

So that means that POSE will have a block of 10 containers every few days, and SEPO the same with the empties. Or are they running more than one block? 2-3 days to get to Worcester and another day to North Jersey...... Any other destinations in the works? I will have to get out onto the Worcester Main to catch the action. Is this the reason they are add ties to make it more stable?
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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby bostontrainguy » Thu May 17, 2018 11:15 pm

tonyschul wrote: Is this the reason they are add ties to make it more stable?


Kind of funny when you realize that they are fixing the track for water trains but that track was okay for explosive oil trains. Anyway, it's a step in the right direction. So as the water business grows and St. John Intermodal gets cranking, perhaps the track will get progressively better and faster and Pan Am will finally have the incentive to invest more into their railroad.

It's easy to criticize the things Pan Am has done, but now at least they have the justification to fix their infrastructure a bit. And maybe eventually build the business up enough to where Norfolk Southern decides it's worth acquiring.
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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby MEC407 » Fri May 18, 2018 11:14 am

. . . [Guilford or PAR] will finally have the incentive to invest more into their railroad.


If I had a dollar for every time I've heard those words over the past 20 years, I'd have enough money for a big dinner at DiMillo's and their best bottle of wine.
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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby SpiderHill » Fri May 18, 2018 12:28 pm

markyk wrote:Elmskips with some of that water from Maine heading to North Jersey a few times per week.....stay tuned


tonyschul wrote:So that means that POSE will have a block of 10 containers every few days, and SEPO the same with the empties. Or are they running more than one block? 2-3 days to get to Worcester and another day to North Jersey...... Any other destinations in the works? I will have to get out onto the Worcester Main to catch the action. Is this the reason they are add ties to make it more stable?


I saw ten Eimskips returning from CSX on the rear of SEPO back on April 7th on the Worcester main heading east into Ayer. I posted on the Worcester Main asking where they were going to/from. No one seemed to know or responded. It is the only time I have seen them heading in either direction on the Worcester main since. It does not appear to be a regular occurrence yet or I am not catching them at the right time.
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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby newpylong » Fri May 18, 2018 12:45 pm

MEC407 wrote:
. . . [Guilford or PAR] will finally have the incentive to invest more into their railroad.


If I had a dollar for every time I've heard those words over the past 20 years, I'd have enough money for a big dinner at DiMillo's and their best bottle of wine.


Furthermore, they've had every incentive for the past 35 years to invest in the railroad. People shouldn't be fooled that the market or industry changes are the sole reason for a reduction in carloads. If you cannot offer decent service or realistic transit times, the product is simply not going to use rail. The amount of traffic this railroad has pissed away in the past 20 years that still could be using rail is hard to fathom.

They do however have no problem investing other people's money into their railroad.
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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby KSmitty » Fri May 18, 2018 2:31 pm

tonyschul wrote:Is this the reason they are add ties to make it more stable?

Referring to the Worcester Main work? That is T funded as part of the deal to use the Worcester Main while the Grand Junction is closed this spring, I believe.

bostontrainguy wrote:Kind of funny when you realize that they are fixing the track for water trains but that track was okay for explosive oil trains.

Actually, they ran an 800 tie/mile project from Keag to Newport in the fall of 2012; and the project was done pretty much exclusively to make sure things up for the added oil traffic.
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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby bostontrainguy » Fri May 18, 2018 5:12 pm

MEC407 wrote:
. . . [Guilford or PAR] will finally have the incentive to invest more into their railroad.


If I had a dollar for every time I've heard those words over the past 20 years, I'd have enough money for a big dinner at DiMillo's and their best bottle of wine.


Perhaps . . . well actually maybe true . . . but this St. John project is actually something that could actually do it.

https://www.joc.com/port-news/internati ... 70913.html

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The Port of Saint John has unveiled a new direct intermodal rail service between the Canada port and the Boston market, giving US shippers a Canadian alternative to US Northeast gateways including Boston as well as the Port of New York and New Jersey.

For many US shippers, the latter provides critical access to the Northeast market, but the new Saint John intermodal service provides a workaround for those seeking to avoid congestion at the largest East Coast port as well as any fallout from upcoming labor negotiations there.

The new Saint John intermodal service, a partnership between terminal operator DP World and regional railroad company Pan Am Railways, was announced on Tuesday.
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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby CN9634 » Fri May 18, 2018 7:45 pm

JOC articles, as nice as they are, don't generate rail traffic. To date, zero revenue containers have moved via this routing. Could that change tomorrow? Of course... but in the meantime it's unlikely to happen (especially with the existing MSC and CMA services calling NYC/PHL)
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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby bostontrainguy » Fri May 18, 2018 10:54 pm

Well the thing is in it's infancy but DP World is a big player.

http://web.dpworld.com/

http://web.dpworld.com/our-business/mar ... brunswick/

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Port Saint John has embarked on an aggressive modernization program that will increase handling capacity, deepen quayside draft and provide additional on-dock rail capacity by 2021.
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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby newpylong » Sat May 19, 2018 5:35 am

You'll never see anything substantial with this move via Pan Am until the entire D1 freight main is brought up to 25 mph.

I'm sure Fink is concocting a way to do it on someone else's dime.
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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby Cosakita18 » Tue May 22, 2018 9:16 pm

There was a good amount of loading going on in yard 8 yesterday afternoon, but it still seems like loading PS in Portland is very on-again-off-again.
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Re: Portland Waterfront Rail Ops (Yard 8, Intermodal, etc)

Postby CN9634 » Wed May 23, 2018 7:52 pm

Some of those might be empties as the pool is managed from Eimskip and they have been increasing it as of late. Should see a surge in traffic this summer if all goes well... not all from PS.
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