Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by Head-end View » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:30 pm

Well Mark777, I can think of lots of possible reasons the idiot SUV driver might have been fleeing the scene of a fender-bender and gone around the gates. How about maybe drunk driving, no license, suspended or revoked license, outstanding arrest warrant, illegal drugs in the car, illegal alien, or just plain stupid? Also only one person actually caused the incident, the driver of the SUV, not his passengers. The other two guys in the car may have actually been victims themselves. We just don't know.

You're right that LIRR's automatic-speed-control system has served well for decades so for LIRR, PTC is kind of an expansion of that system. But the reason the PTC mandate came about is for years there have been far too many train collisions on many railroads that never equipped themselves with any form of automatic train control and it finally caught up with them in the form of the PTC mandate.

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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by MattAmity90 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:54 am

Gentlemen, GENTLEMEN PLEASE! Positive Train Control and Chuck Schumer have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with what happened back on February 26th and there is nothing political about a grade crossing accident! All that happened was an idiot with two passengers going around the gates and lights, gets hit by an accelerating Hicksville-bound at no more than 45 MPH that pushed it into a train from Ronkonkoma going 80 MPH. School Street has been hazardous but according to the FRA, in New York it ranks 47th most likely to have an accident. Urban Avenue almost a mile to the East is ranked 3rd most likely, and is in the process of being eliminated (it closed off to thru-traffic on Friday, and will remain that way until the Fall as will Covert Avenue in New Hyde Park). Who cares if they were running from the scene of a skirmish, that's not the point. It was a typical case of impatience regardless of circumstance of going around the gates and getting t-boned by a train only to get pushed into another at a combined speed of 125 MPH.

Politics didn't come into play with the 1982 Herricks Road accident, the 1995 Covert Avenue incident, Unqua Road in 1973 and 1975, Brentwood in 2013, Executive Drive in 2011 and other times, Straight Path in 1989, Robbins Lane a few years ago, Willis Avenue last year, and all the pedestrian hits at Jackson Avenue, Broadway, Stewart Avenue, West Broadway, Bedford Avenue, Park Blvd, Anchor and Atlantic, and Glen Cove Road.
This station is Babylon, this is the train to Penn Station. Stopping at: Lindenhurst, Copiague, Amityville, Massapequa Park, Massapequa, Seaford, Wantagh, Bellmore, Merrick, Freeport, Baldwin, Rockville Centre, Lynbrook, Valley Stream, Jamaica, Kew Gardens, Forest Hills, Woodside, Penn Station.

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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by workextra » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:13 am

Politics has nothing to do with the February wreck.
Politics has everything to do with Chuck Schumer and any chance he has to make an ass out of us or himself on a camera he won’t miss it. He knows PTC won’t do squat to prevent these types of wrecks, but why not use it to push the agenda and looks like he’s doing something good for God and country.
He’s just another creature in the swamp.

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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by MattAmity90 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:30 pm

I just don't want any mention of Schumer or anything political in this thread because it has nothing to do with the subject.
This station is Babylon, this is the train to Penn Station. Stopping at: Lindenhurst, Copiague, Amityville, Massapequa Park, Massapequa, Seaford, Wantagh, Bellmore, Merrick, Freeport, Baldwin, Rockville Centre, Lynbrook, Valley Stream, Jamaica, Kew Gardens, Forest Hills, Woodside, Penn Station.

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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by freightguy » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:21 pm

I think your missing the mark MattAmity90, Schumer made it about that when he held a press conference about the incident and PTC. That’s what tens of thousands of people saw on the TV cameras and once again in Newsday. Not the select few that read the LIRR forum on here and most have a general knowledge of PTC.
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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by MattAmity90 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:56 pm

Even though I'm young, it's better observe trains out there and read about the LIRR than it is to watch it on TV. I'm old school, and that's why I'm one of the select few that reads the forum and has a general knowledge of PTC.
This station is Babylon, this is the train to Penn Station. Stopping at: Lindenhurst, Copiague, Amityville, Massapequa Park, Massapequa, Seaford, Wantagh, Bellmore, Merrick, Freeport, Baldwin, Rockville Centre, Lynbrook, Valley Stream, Jamaica, Kew Gardens, Forest Hills, Woodside, Penn Station.

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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by freightguy » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:10 pm

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I do not know if that Newsday cover Steve Lynch posted copied and pasted onto here. However that more accurately descibes what occurred on Feb 26, 2019. The news seems to water everything down these days. That was more stately Newsday reporting in the early and mid 1990’s. More accountability for ones actions and the local periodicals reporting events as such.
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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by Jeff Smith » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:54 pm

Let's move on from the PTC aspect; Chuckie interjected himself as he usually does without any knowledge of what caused the crash. Typical. It's on topic, because he addressed the crash. Nevertheless, it's a distraction, so let's let it go.
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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by Kelly&Kelly » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:03 pm

I believe this is the first grade crossing accident in the past score of years at least where the victims were fleeing a crime.

-REDACTED- But the media also ignored some interesting facts that even a preliminary review of official reports would have revealed. The engineer saved at least one life - that of a women riding in the head car.

Fleeing his operating compartment after sounding the horn and dumping the brakes, the engineer happened on the passenger, who was clearly in harm's way. He stopped long enough to grab her and shove her to safety, before the platform perforated the train, ripping the seat she was sitting in from the floor and piling it with a ton of concrete in the vestibule.

Had events unfolded only moment's differently, the outcome could have mimicked MetroNorth's Valhalla disaster.

And that is the rest of the story...
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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by Head-end View » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:41 pm

K & K, thanks for your usual good factual summary, especially re: the driver of the SUV. But in your reference to the Metro-North accident, I think you meant to say Valhalla, not Sleepy Hollow, right?

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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by Kelly&Kelly » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:42 pm

Thank you Head End, for your kind words and your correction. I've corrected my comment. I'm lost on that other railroad.

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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by BuddR32 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:02 am

Kelly&Kelly wrote: But the media also ignored some interesting facts that even a preliminary review of official reports would have revealed. The engineer saved at least one life - that of a women riding in the head car.

Fleeing his operating compartment after sounding the horn and dumping the brakes, the engineer happened on the passenger, who was clearly in harm's way. He stopped long enough to grab her and shove her to safety, before the platform perforated the train, ripping the seat she was sitting in from the floor and piling it with a ton of concrete in the vestibule.
Forget Newsday's bias against the railroad, its employees, and the like. They cannot even decipher an Engineer from a Conductor. However, the NY Post did report that the Engineer did act quickly and save the passenger's life. They also correctly stated his title.

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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by mark777 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:19 am

K & K:

Thank you for your post. I was eluding to this fact that the media was not willing to report on, but so that I don't put a few people in jeopardy for revealing that info early on after this accident occurred, I merely mentioned it as a possibility. -REDACTED-

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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by Kelly&Kelly » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:38 pm

According to -REDACTED-. The M-7's were -REDACTED-

Lots of interesting railroad history here.

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Re: Westbury Wreck 02/26/2019

Post by ConstanceR46 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:11 pm

Very useful posts. Reminds me of ███

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