Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby BandA » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:34 am

Acela has some high-speed running on the NEC; What pairs of station stops presently have an average "high-speed" between them?
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby electricron » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:30 am

What do you consider "high speed"?
Taking a look at Amtrak's schedules and do some basic math. Here's the Acela average speeds between stations as published at:
https://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/122/248/Sy ... 0117,0.pdf

Boston South to Boston Back Bay = 6 minutes over 1 mile = 10 mph
Boston Back Bay to Route 128 = 10 minutes over 10 miles = 60 mph
Route 128 to Providence = 22 minutes over 32 miles = 87 mph
Providence to New Haven = 91 minutes over 113 miles = 74 mph
New Haven to Stamford = 46 minutes over 39 miles = 51 mph
Stamford to New York City = 45 minutes over 36 miles = 48 mph
Note: The schedule shows a 15 minute stop at NYC....
New York City to Newark = 15 minutes over 10 miles = 40 mph
Newark to Philadelphia = 55 minutes over 91 miles = 99 mph
Philadelphia to Wilmington = 19 minutes over 25 miles = 79 mph
Wilmington to Baltimore = 44 minutes over 69 miles = 94 mph
Baltimore to BWI Marshall Airport = 13 minutes over 11 miles = 51 mph
BWI Marshall Airport to Washington D.C. = 27 minutes over 30 miles = 67 mph
All the math was calculated by (miles/minutes) x 60 = average mph.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby mtuandrew » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:35 pm

Public hearings on the Draft EIS and alternative routes will happen between January 29 and February 6 in the affected counties. https://www.fra.dot.gov/Page/P0700
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby electricron » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:47 am

Texas Central during the DEIS public meetings releases drawings of the present design of the downtown Dallas HSR station. This link has the drawings.....
https://www.texascentral.com/2018/01/29 ... n-station/

The multiple level train station will have shops, restaurants, news stands, etc. like what you might find in an airport terminal.

But from street level it looks more like a parking garage than anything else because the elevated track train station and at grade freight railroad corridor are surrounding on both sides by them.

Passengers arriving by car should find it easy to get to those new parking garages because the location of them at I-35E and I-30 intersection is where all the spoke freeways in Dallas merge.

It'll be interesting to see what developers will build adjacent to it.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby kaitoku » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:03 am

Concept renderings for the Houston station were revealed:
https://www.texascentral.com/2018/02/05 ... announced/
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby electricron » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:30 am

Texas Central has also released drawings of the Brazos Valley station as well.
Just surf to their web site and check under their Blog tab for all the juicy details.
https://www.texascentral.com/blog/
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Postby John_Perkowski » Sat May 05, 2018 6:59 pm

Found by Jeff Smith.

Amtrak Jumps Aboard Texas Bullet Train Ticketing Shuttle Partnership

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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby Rockingham Racer » Sun May 06, 2018 6:43 am

I'm wondering if Amtrak would be able to directly access the new station. One less shuttle.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby electricron » Sun May 06, 2018 3:56 pm

Rockingham Racer wrote:I'm wondering if Amtrak would be able to directly access the new station. One less shuttle.

Amtrak or TRE tracks and platforms would probably be at grade level while Texas Central tracks and platforms will be elevated 20-30 feet above grade. If someone built (i.e. TRE) built these platforms at grade, Amtrak could use it. But I don’t expect Amtrak would build them.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby ziggyzack1234 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:53 pm

With that cross-ticketing agreement they made, Amtrak may just pitch in to build a platform. It's either make one more stop along the way, or force a shuttle bus on people. Direct transfer or two transfers seems like an easy pick. The biggest problem is how they will engineer a platform into the area next to the station.
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby electricron » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:56 am

ziggyzack1234 wrote:With that cross-ticketing agreement they made, Amtrak may just pitch in to build a platform. It's either make one more stop along the way, or force a shuttle bus on people. Direct transfer or two transfers seems like an easy pick. The biggest problem is how they will engineer a platform into the area next to the station.

I don't see a problem at all. The railroad right -of-way is at least 100 feet wide and at grade. The viaduct over I-30 already has 4 tracks, with room for an additional 4 tracks. The HSR tracks will be 30 feet above them in height. The HSR station and parking facilities will be built on both sides of the existing railroad corridor just south of the I-30 viaduct. Amtrak and TRE have rights to run on the existing railroad corridor. Adding multiple platforms in the existing railroad corridor with so much room will not be difficult, the difficult part will be finding someone to finance them.
May I suggest the TRE?
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby chrsjrcj » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:58 am

There likely won't be Amtrak service in Texas by the time this gets built (if ever).
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Re: Texas Central HSR (Houston - DFW Dallas Fort Worth)

Postby mtuandrew » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:00 am

Looks like Texas Central has more financial backing. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/transpo ... in-project

Fair-use quote:
Texas Central lands $300 million loan for Dallas-to-Houston bullet train project
Ray Leszcynski, Communities; 9/14/18

Texas Central Partners has secured a $300 million loan to continue its pursuit of a new 240-mile high-speed rail route from downtown Dallas to Houston.

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The loan is backed by Japanese sources, including the nation's only public-private fund that specializes in overseas infrastructure. Texas Central plans to use Japanese Shinkansen technology for its bullet train.
"This is a loan to be paid back with interest," the company said in a written statement Thursday. "It does not change the train's majority-Texan ownership."
When added to its current equity — much of which comes from its Texas investors — the loan will get the company to "the point at which all of the capital required to construct is fully committed" and construction is authorized, Texas Central officials said.


They sound bullish about getting FRA approval too.
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