Horizon Coach Refurbishment

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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby Anthony » Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:30 pm

The soon-to-be-surplus Horizons can go towards single level long distance expansions. Such possibilities include a daily Cardinal, a revived Broadway Limited, Crescent Star, or an IND-KCY section of the Cardinal (following the route of that portion of the old National Limited). They can also go towards proposed new corridor services elsewhere in the country, such as NOL-Baton Rouge and NOL-Mobile. The new Midwest and California rolling stock displacing the Horizons is a rare opportunity for Amtrak to expand into other markets and raise revenues.
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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby gokeefe » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:15 pm

Seems very likely.
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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby Rockingham Racer » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:07 pm

Or the Downeaster.
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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby electricron » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:24 pm

Where the Horizons will go will probably be determined where regular maintenance will occur. Bear maintains most of the electric locomotives and Acela power units, Beach Grove does most of the heavy repairs and diesel locomotives.
Viewliners are mostly maintained in Miami, Amfleets in New York, Superliners in Chicago, and Talgos in Seattle.
Horizons were being mostly maintained in Chicago, but they will probably be displaced there by the new Siemens cars.

So, where is left for Horizons to be maintained out of the way? I suggest the car yard in New Orleans is available, and many have suggested the Horizons should be moved south to launch new services. There’s plenty of Horizons to support new train; NOLA to Baton Rouge, NOLA to Mobile, NOLA to Dallas, etc.
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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby gokeefe » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:25 pm

Rockingham Racer wrote:Or the Downeaster.


Not going to happen. Too many stations with high level platforms (including some that are projected upgrades). Train line doors are too important.
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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby Backshophoss » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:52 pm

The Acela power cars and ACS-64's get shopped at Wilmington. Bear is the Car shop for Amfleet,Viewliner I and II's,and the Acela passenger cars.
Believe the Horizons get shopped at Beech Grove,but share most of their interior fittings with the Amfleet I and II's
IT's unknown if the Horizons will get the Amfleet interior "refresh".
The Horizons have manual doors,were not set up for power doors from the factory.
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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby David Benton » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:05 pm

The Horizons must be Amtrak's "best value" car. I don't think many would have expected to be having this discussion now, 10 -15 years ago .
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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby gokeefe » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:44 pm

Backshophoss wrote:IT's unknown if the Horizons will get the Amfleet interior "refresh".


Amfleet IIs supposedly haven't even been included on the list yet either. That being said ... I fully expect it to happen.
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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby Alex M » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:46 pm

Are there any Amfleet/Horizon cars in use in California service? If so, would these be redeployed?
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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby gokeefe » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:06 pm

Alex M wrote:Are there any Amfleet/Horizon cars in use in California service? If so, would these be redeployed?


Yes. Read through the route specific Appendix at the end of the report and you'll see them. They are definitely included in the plan for redistribution. All of the Amfleets and Horizon cars currently on these services will be moving.

The caveat to this is that the switch to single level cars might require reconsideration of the plan but the chances of wholesale termination seem slim. The states are going to want to get the benefit of their capital investment and the subsequent improvements to their cost allocations with the Amtrak under the 209 formulas.
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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby Backshophoss » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:10 pm

There 're 3 Horizon Food service cars leased to Cal-Tran for use with their Comarrow Cars(San Joaquin service).
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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby electricron » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:58 pm

Backshophoss wrote:There 're 3 Horizon Food service cars leased to Cal-Tran for use with their Comarrow Cars(San Joaquin service).

Yes here are, but those old Commarriws will also be retired/repositioned when the new Siemens cars enter service. California only planned to used their as fillers for the new cars to enter service.
The Comarrows will probably be highly sought after by heritage rail museums and would look great great and provide a great ride behind E-8 and E-9 streamlined diesel locomotives.
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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby hs3730 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:11 pm

Might the Horizons (or the Comarrows for that matter) go to the Adirondack? The 'dak has in the past had unique equipment compared to the other Northeast trains. The manual door issue isn't that big a deal, since the only stops where the doors open without a conductor present are the terminals and Albany, all of which deal with manually operated doors on other trains on a daily basis.
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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby electricron » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:26 pm

hs3730 wrote:Might the Horizons (or the Comarrows for that matter) go to the Adirondack? The 'dak has in the past had unique equipment compared to the other Northeast trains. The manual door issue isn't that big a deal, since the only stops where the doors open without a conductor present are the terminals and Albany, all of which deal with manually operated doors on other trains on a daily basis.

I keep reading the Horizons cars with their manually opened doors are terrible in winter's snow and ice. That's why most suggest moving them south. All the repositioning Amfleets will probably be going to Ivy Yard. I suppose the Horizons could be moved anywhere, but does Ivy Yard in NYC also have room for them?
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Re: Horizon Coach Refurbishment

Postby Backshophoss » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:38 pm

Ivy City yard is at DC,Do you mean Sunnyside yard in Queens,NYC ?
Horizons should go south to the "Gulf Coaster" and intra-Florida services,might need an AC tonnage upgrade to deal with humid weather
along the coast and Fl
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