Equipment shortages & cancellations

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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby CRail » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:26 pm

More evidence of what you don't know...
1.) No, pay rates are comparable between railroad employees and MBTA employees. Paying employees less for profit does not make a cheaper operation, despite what the cronies who bought your support make you think.
2.) Railroad Retirement is a federal fund, separate from whatever T employees pay into. This would not change if the Commuter Rail were brought in house. SEPTA employees are in the same boat as [Keolis] employees.

Arborwayfan wrote:...(e) the private company was offering the service to begin with but started to lose money (Boston Elevated Ry 20s, 30s, 40s; commuter rail after 1964).

Which of these apply to the T Commuter Rail?

E. The railroads began to abandon passenger service at an alarming rate so the Commonwealth had to start chipping in to keep the trains running. Finally, the MBTA was formed to assume the responsibility for the commuter trains since the railroads didn't want to run them anymore. The railroads were then contracted to run the services they previously owned, and eventually the entire system was consolidated to one company (B&M had the first exclusive contract). The T has never wanted to touch railroad operations other than to oversee it. I don't know why, especially since other outfits (NY MTA, SEPTA) have brought their operations in house, but the T won't do it. Someone mentioned the scape goat reason, and I think they're spot on. When the green line has a ton of derailments, the state agency has to eat that. When the railroad makes the logical decision of pulling a train that carries 75 people to run a trip that carries 900 people, and the newspaper says they're racist because they cancel a train on a line they can't get anyone to use despite insanely low headways and undercut fares, the T can simply jump on the bandwagon and say "Yeah, bad contractor!"
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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby BandA » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:38 am

The state has a repeated history of not being able to manage things properly. Including contracts.
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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby ohalloranchris » Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:38 am

After the Boston Globe called out Keolis/MBTA for continuously cancelling Fairmount train 750 when there was an equipment shortage, it appears the Stoughton line is the new punching bag. Train 900 was cancelled 11/7 and 11/8. The afternoon of 11/7, train 919 was cancelled (5:50PM out of South Station, a very popular train). To further compound matters, train 917 (5:13PM out of South Station) ran Monday with 4 flats and one bi-level, versus the normal 4 bi-levels and 2 flats. Providence trains made unscheduled stops at 128 and Canton Junction, but they were overcrowded and delayed by the extra crowds and stops. What a mess...
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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby GP40MC1118 » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:19 pm

Not surprising, when the politicians bark "jump", the T (No matter what makes more sense) asks how high!
Same thing with the Reading turns that was continually cancelled...

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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby ohalloranchris » Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:59 pm

More of the same on Wednesday 11/9:

<<Stoughton Train 919 (5:50 pm from South Station) is cancelled today. Passengers should take Train 921 (6:15 pm from South Station).
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Later Today:

Prov Line: Train 827 will make additional stops at Route 128 & Canton Jct to accommodate passengers that take Train 919>>
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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby ohalloranchris » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:25 pm

From http://www.transithistory.org/roster/ :

<<Keolis will be sending up to 19 active single-level coaches held for 4-YR inspections to Delaware Car in Wilmington DE in order to catch up on a backlog of cars held for inspections.>>
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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby BostonUrbEx » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:08 am

Seems most North Side sets are 4 cars now, weren't they typically 5 car sets prior to this crunch?
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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby Diverging Route » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:18 am

BostonUrbEx wrote:Seems most North Side sets are 4 cars now, weren't they typically 5 car sets prior to this crunch?


Before the Rotems, there were 5Fs, 6Fs, and 7Fs.

Now, 4F/1R sets dominate. There are a number of four car sets (recently I've seen a few 3F/1R, 2F/2R, 1F/3R). There are also a few larger sets, including a 5F/1R and 4F/2R. Set compositions change often, as cars are swapped in and out for inspection, repair, etc.
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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby sery2831 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:53 pm

There are 14 FOUR car sets north, we are down a lot of cars.
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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby octr202 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:20 pm

sery2831 wrote:There are 14 FOUR car sets north, we are down a lot of cars.


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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby jaymac » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:39 pm

I know anything is possible, but Beverly Scott's been gone for close to two years, so it's gonna take some real work to hang these problems on her.
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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby Backshophoss » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:24 pm

When is the cars "held for Inspection" get shipped out to Delaware?
Will PAR,CSX or Amtrak do the honors?
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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:46 pm

Does this include doing the much-delayed cab signal + PTC installations to the 1600-series cabs so they no longer have to be bottled-up exclusively north? I'm sure it's not helping this mix-and-match game of desperation to still be hamstrung by classes of equipment that are non-portable across the whole system.
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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby ohalloranchris » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:21 am

F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:Does this include doing the much-delayed cab signal + PTC installations to the 1600-series cabs so they no longer have to be bottled-up exclusively north? I'm sure it's not helping this mix-and-match game of desperation to still be hamstrung by classes of equipment that are non-portable across the whole system.


That's a good question F Line, particularly with the MBB 1500's becoming more and more rare...
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Re: Equipment shortages & cancellations

Postby Arborwayfan » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:43 pm

Could Keolis (or the T) rent a whole set or two (locomotives and cars) from someone to ease the shortage while they catch up on inspections and repairs? I'm thinking of renting from IP, or the Providence and Worcester, or one of the many tourist lines within a couple hundred miles, or even from Canada (even if they are spare Canadian LD coaches), and keeping the foreign equipment together in a couple of trains so as not to have compatibility issues between coaches.

Operationally impossible b/c no heat and/or no ac?
Operationally impossible b/c crew training needed?
Operationally impossible b/c speed restrictions?
.... south side b/c no cab signals?
....b/c no cab cars?
....b/c equipment not in good enough condition for constant use?
....b/c equipment not up to ADA?
....b/c some other reason?

Too expensive/not enough incentive in the Keolis contract?
Tourist lines need all their cars in the Christmas season and obviously in the summer and leaf season?
Some other reason it can't work?
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