Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

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Re: Gov't Center Opening 2016 Discussion

Postby StefanW » Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:34 am

One of the aspects of the station design that's truly amazing is the amount of natural light that's able to come down to the Green Line platforms. The glass blocks inset in the floor of the fare-gate level are a big part of it, plus the perforated metal used on the staircase risers, but the real stunner is above the Eastbound Green Line platform. While waiting for a North Station / Lechmere train you can look up and see sky through the "glass box" ceiling. Even though the Westbound Green Line platform doesn't have the same thing above it, the white wall tiles plus the glossy floors do a great job of carrying the natural light throughout the majority of the Green Line level.
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Re: Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

Postby bellstbarn » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:02 am

I am puzzled by the accessibility issues. Apparently, there are two elevators from fare control (at street level) to the Green Line platform. There are also two elevators from somewhere to the Blue Line. Yet, both platforms appear to be island platforms, so are two of the elevators redundant, something New York could use because of the frequency of elevator repairs? Please correct me if I am wrong.
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However, I don't understand how a wheelchair person can board a Green Line train. Don't the cars have steep steps?
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Re: Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

Postby jboutiet » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:34 am

bellstbarn wrote:I am puzzled by the accessibility issues. Apparently, there are two elevators from fare control (at street level) to the Green Line platform. There are also two elevators from somewhere to the Blue Line. Yet, both platforms appear to be island platforms, so are two of the elevators redundant, something New York could use because of the frequency of elevator repairs? Please correct me if I am wrong.
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However, I don't understand how a wheelchair person can board a Green Line train. Don't the cars have steep steps?
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The low-floor Type 8 cars are accessible from a low platform.
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Re: Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

Postby BigUglyCat » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:59 am

The EGE wrote:In case anyone hasn't already gotten their fill of pictures, here are mine from today.

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Re: Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

Postby Arborwayfan » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:16 am

The natural light shows in the pictures. Thanks.

The Brattle Loop is now in ballast next to the platform instead of in the concrete of the platform. I can see that could be safer because now it's clear passengers shouldn't walk across the track the way I used to do to look at the murals and just for fun (but I will miss the old look, because there and at Park St. when the main eastbound track was just filled in with wood level without the low "curb" that's there now it gave a funny kind of outside/street-running feel that was odd underground). So why was the old Brattle Loop track paved that way? Was it left over from a time when passengers needed to walk across it routinely? How old was the concrete of the platform that was demolished for this renovation?
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Re: Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

Postby The EGE » Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:43 am

Redundant elevators are mandated in all new and rebuilt stations as part of the 2006 settlement with the Boston Center for Independent Living, with the intention of making it so no station ever has a complete elevator outage. Makes construction and maintenance a tad more expensive, but probably a worthwhile cost.
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Re: Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

Postby Disney Guy » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:52 pm

Imagine for a moment that, if on any day the station was not accessible using the elevators, it had to be closed in its entirety.

The Center For Independent Living settlement probably does not mandate that drastic a move but some 30 or so years ago, the opening of an otherwise complete station on the Washington DC subway had to be delayed until the elevators were ready for use.

Back then, federal laws (which governed DC) regarding accessibility were more strict than most states' laws.

I would expect that all three Greem Line tracks will eventually be ballasted more so as to look better.
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Re: Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

Postby Arlington » Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:43 am

The new tracks have misting pipes, presumably for all the benefits (quiet, less wheel & rail wear, anti-derail). Why don't the Park Street loops have mist?
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Re: Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

Postby The EGE » Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:18 am

Probably because this is the first time they've been used on the T? They've tried various other methods like grease, especially for the Ashmont loop, but this is the first oone that seems to work. Hopefully There is sufficient drainage at Ashmont, Boylston, and Park Street to add them.
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Re: Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

Postby MBTA3247 » Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:09 pm

They've been using misting pipes for years on the loop at Ashmont.

They probably haven't been installed at Park or Boylston because there are no residents living in hearing range of those curves to complain about them. The T has better things to spend money on.
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Re: Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

Postby Arlington » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:15 pm

^better things like derailments, wheel wear, and rail wear?
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Re: Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

Postby jamesinclair » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:50 pm

Disney Guy wrote:Imagine for a moment that, if on any day the station was not accessible using the elevators, it had to be closed in its entirety.

The Center For Independent Living settlement probably does not mandate that drastic a move but some 30 or so years ago, the opening of an otherwise complete station on the Washington DC subway had to be delayed until the elevators were ready for use.

Back then, federal laws (which governed DC) regarding accessibility were more strict than most states' laws.

I would expect that all three Greem Line tracks will eventually be ballasted more so as to look better.


When an elevator is out in DC< theyre required to provide free shuttle service to the nearest working station.

Having a redundant elevator saves that cost.
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Re: Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

Postby jamesinclair » Wed Mar 23, 2016 1:55 pm

The EGE wrote:In case anyone hasn't already gotten their fill of pictures, here are mine from today.


Fantastic photos.

The station looks amazing. Except the 1960s platform walls they kept. Seriously?

And not opening the direct Blue Line entrance is a crime and the decision makers should be imprisoned
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Re: Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

Postby Arlington » Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:39 pm

^As long as Bowoin is still open, a separate BL entrance doesn't uniquely "convenience" all that many users by all that much. When Bowdoin closes as part of opening Red-Blue, then, yeah, they should "finish" the GC BL entrance.
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Re: Gov't Center Closure 2014 Discussion

Postby Disney Guy » Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:12 pm

jamesinclair wrote:And not opening the direct Blue Line entrance is a crime and the decision makers should be imprisoned

There would be no urge to open the Blue Line to street exit for passengers unless an elevator could be installed there for full accessibility's sake.
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