Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway Cars

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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby BandA » Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:04 pm

The trolleys will arrive, but there will be no extension to run them on!
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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby Adams_Umass_Boston » Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:25 pm

I was testing out that poll when they first rolled it out. I admit to being nerdy about data.

I noticed if you voted with google incognito mode you could vote as many times as you liked. So I am assuming someone else figured that out and had a bot vote for them.
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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby houseman86 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:56 pm

who cares that much about the design of a train
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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby jwhite07 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:42 pm

They put out a survey as though they really want the public's opinion, it gets hacked, and the response is a shrug and a dismissive comment. So, what was the point of the survey in the first place if it really doesn't seem to matter?

At least someone finally decided to look into it and put a hold on the results of the first vote rather than just going with it. They'll probably blow more money redoing the survey, but my preference would be to pick a scheme from the choices internally, using criteria like visibility, durability, and cost to apply and maintain, and tell everyone "Your tax dollars have chosen - here it is".
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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby YamaOfParadise » Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:16 pm

houseman86 wrote:who cares that much about the design of a train

I don't know if it's as much "someone really cares about a certain design" as much as the tried-and-true internet motive of "for the lulz".
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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby BigUglyCat » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:02 pm

jwhite07 wrote:... So, what was the point of the survey in the first place if it really doesn't seem to matter?

It allows you the illusion that you actually have some say in the process.
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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby rethcir » Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:12 pm

Adams_Umass_Boston wrote:I noticed if you voted with google incognito mode you could vote as many times as you liked.


Wow, train stuff really is like porn to some people. :-D
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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby NH2060 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:18 pm

*Clears throat* More like delectable eye candy. It looks great and we can't get enough of it ;-)

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jwhite07 wrote:... So, what was the point of the survey in the first place if it really doesn't seem to matter?

It allows you the illusion that you actually have some say in the process.


It's actually very nice of the T to let the public pick the final design. Is there any other transit agency who does that? It's the closest thing to actual public ownership of public transportation that we've got. Our tax dollars may fund it, but we don't get a say otherwise. So at least we can say "we got to pick how these things look!" ;-)
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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby MBTA3247 » Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:50 am

The T has announced the actual winning designs after nullifying the bot votes. Looks like the ugliest of the Green Line schemes got chosen. All those diagonals in the green stripe are hideous.
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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby Bramdeisroberts » Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:28 pm

I think the Red and Orange line cars will come out looking incredibly sharp. The solid pantone stripe is such a classic looking throwback to the minimalist Cambridge Seven T design schemes from the 70's.

Meanwhile, the only Green Line livery design that WASN'T hideously eye-bleach worthy, was the one that nobody seems to have had any interest in. Option 2 was really sharp looking. The one that got picked is an aesthetic war crime.
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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby NH2060 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:44 pm

To be fair no scheme was going to look that good on the Type 9. If the new LRVs were those 5-unit "flexi-LRV" models by Bombardier, etc. then you've got another candidate for the tried and true green stripe below the windows akin to what the rebuilt Type 7s have got.
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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby Adams_Umass_Boston » Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:18 am

I had voted for the dots. I worries those lines on the red and orange would not rise above the platforms enough on the boarding sides. I was thinking older or vision impair people. Will have to see.
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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby CRail » Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:35 am

The cars could be completely colorless and it wouldn't realistically portray any less information than if the entire car were orange or red. There is not a single platform (save for North Station southbound which serves two different modes) that serves more than one line. Car color does not indicate destination. Meanwhile in NYC, where multiple lines do share station tracks and platforms, the trains are colorless (and now their signs aren't even color coded anymore). The point is it really doesn't matter, it's all for esthetics.

That's not to say I have no opinion (I always have an opinion), I feel strongly that the best proposal won on the heavy rail side. I agree that sticking as closely as possible to the original Cambridge 7 design makes the most sense. That giant T was horrid, just like it is on those goofy looking commuter rail engines. For the 9s, well, you won't have to look at them once you're inside I guess. I was hoping they'd learned that teal=bad and they'd stick with the new 7 scheme.
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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby Bramdeisroberts » Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:00 pm

I agree that it's totally silly that our trains are color-coded even though they never share platforms.

That said, ever since I was a kid riding the T in the 80s, I always liked the info-minimalism of the C7 livery. It took me a while as a kid to realize that there weren't any other cities where the trains actually matched the color of the lines they ran on. The color-coded line scheme is a feature that's totally unique to the T(along with running articulated trolleys in a 5 mile long tunnel and calling it a subway ;) ), and I sincerely hope that it's something that the T never gets away from.

Though I will add that while the C7 scheme looked fantastic on the PCC's, the LRVs, and the Kinki's alike (as does it's descendant, the rebuild scheme), I also was pretty partial to the teal scheme. It managed to look pretty decent on the 7's, great on the Pininfarina-penned 8's (like most Italian cars, they may be unredeemable pieces of rolling garbage, but at least they're incredibly stylish looking pieces of garbage. They have such a wonderfully retro and uniquely 90's techno-modern vibe to them, like Run Lola, Run on rails...), and likely would have looked equally spiffy on the 9's. All while adding some unnecessary, but nice aesthetic coherence to the Green Line.
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Re: Public Invited to Pick Exterior Designs for New Subway C

Postby diburning » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:15 pm

Seeing as how it pops up again and again for every proposed paint scheme, it seems like someone REALLY wanted that huge two-toned T. (It wasn't me). Remember this rendering?

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