Boston's 2024 Olympic Bid: Posssible MBTA Improvements

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Re: Boston's 2024 Olympic Bid: Posssible MBTA Improvements

Postby Arlington » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:08 pm

ohalloranchris wrote:And did you see who was announced today to be the leader of the Boston Olympics initiative? Richard Davey. Hopefully he remembers where he came from...

Wow! The Os have gotten serious about fixing their two critical issues:
- They've been really bad at talking to metro/state governments
- Their plans show a real ignorance of transportation

Here's a source:
http://www.wbur.org/2015/01/23/richard- ... on2024-ceo
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Re: Boston's 2024 Olympic Bid: Posssible MBTA Improvements

Postby Glimmer » Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:05 pm

Blue/Red connector at Charles MGH

Orange Line
Commuter rail stations between Forest Hills & Needham Hts, Forest Hills & Readville, Oak Grove & Melrose converted to Orange Line svc
New stations along Commuter Rail ROW along Rockport/Newburyport line between Sullivan Sq and Revere Beach
New Stations:
Needham Branch
- Roslindale Village (converted Commuter Rail station)
- Bellevue (converted Commuter Rail station)
- Highland (converted Commuter Rail station)
- W Roxbury (converted Commuter Rail station)
- Hersey (converted Commuter Rail station) - limited or no weekend service
- Needham Jct (converted Commuter Rail station) - limited or no weekend service
- Needham Ctr (converted Commuter Rail station) - limited or no weekend service
- Needham Hts (converted Commuter Rail station) - limited or no weekend service
Franklin Branch
- Cummins Hwy (optional new station)
- Hyde Park (converted Commuter Rail station)
- Readville (converted Commuter Rail station)
Haverhill Branch
- Wyoming Hill (converted Commuter Rail station)
- Melrose Cedar Pk (converted Commuter Rail station)
- Melrose Highlands (converted Commuter Rail station)
Rockport/Newburypt Branch
- Gateway Ctr (new station)
- 2nd St (new station)
- Chelsea (converted Commuter Rail station)
- Eastern Ave (new station)
- Winthrop Ave (new station)
- Bell Circle (new station)

Green Line
Assuming GLX completion

'B' branch (Comm Ave)
Tunnel replaces street service between Kenmore and Packard's Corner
Remaining street stations converted to accommodate 4-car trains
Service from Boston College to College Ave (Tufts), all times
New stations:
BU East (tunnel) - replaces Blandford, BU East, BU Central
BU West (tunnel) - replaces BU West, Pleasant St
Packards' Corner (tunnel) - replaces Babcock St, Packard's Corner
Harvard Ave (converted/extended street-level station) - replaces Harvard Ave, Griggs St
Allston St (converted/extended street-level station) - replaces Allston St, Warren St
Washington St (converted/extended street-level station) - replaces Washington St
Sutherland Rd (converted/extended street-level station) - replaces Sutherland Rd
Chestnut Hill Ave (converted/extended street-level station) - replaces Chestnut Hill Ave, Chiswick St
Boston College (converted/extended street-level station) - replaces BC, South St

'C' branch (Beacon St)
Keep surface stations, 2-car trains, etc, extend western terminus to BC.
Service:
Rush Hour: Boston College to Park Street/North Station
Mid-Day/Evening/Late Nite/Wkend: Boston College to Kenmore

'E' branch (Huntington Ave)
Tunnel replaces street service, new stations built to accommodate 4-car trains
Tunnel under "Emerald Necklace" to connect to current 'D' branch, extend service through to Riverside
New Stations:
Northeastern Univ/MFA (tunnel)
Longwood/MassArt (tunnel)
Brigham Circle/Mission Hill (tunnel)
Service: Riverside to Union Sq (Somerville), all times

'D' branch (mostly redundant due to E connection)
Rush Hour: Reservoir to Park St or North Station
Mid-Day/Eve/Late Nite: Reservoir to Kenmore (no weekend service, Longwood & Fenway stations closed)
Sox Game Service: Kenmore to Riverside
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Re: Boston's 2024 Olympic Bid: Posssible MBTA Improvements

Postby houseman86 » Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:46 pm

for the olympics it would make sense for boston 2024 or mbta to lease new/incoming equipment from other transit agencies in the us.

also the could/should hire a local transportation company to help out like local motion or paul revere
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Re: Boston's 2024 Olympic Bid: Posssible MBTA Improvements

Postby houseman86 » Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:51 am

Buzzards Bay in New Bedford chosen as the site for the sailing competition for Boston 2024 makes wonder if there using the olympics to get south coast rail
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Re: Boston's 2024 Olympic Bid: Posssible MBTA Improvements

Postby Gerry6309 » Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:01 pm

Glimmer wrote:Blue/Red connector at Charles MGH...

...Sox Game Service: Kenmore to Riverside


And you are going to do all that without any public money?
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Re: Boston's 2024 Olympic Bid: Posssible MBTA Improvements

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Re: Boston's 2024 Olympic Bid: Posssible MBTA Improvements

Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:48 pm



hip hip hoooorrraaaaayyyyyyyyy!!!! :-D
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Re: Boston's 2024 Olympic Bid: Posssible MBTA Improvements

Postby Backshophoss » Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:55 pm

From the network news reports,Boston's Mayor was prodded to sign contracts,that made the city "eat" any
cost overruns.
His reply to the Olympics" Sorry,NO way,we're out!
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Re: Boston's 2024 Olympic Bid: Posssible MBTA Improvements

Postby Cosmo » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:41 pm

GOOD ON HIM!! :wink:
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Re: Boston's 2024 Olympic Bid: Posssible MBTA Improvements

Postby BandA » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:26 pm

Boston 2024 was going to build a stadium in Widet Circle. Commuter rail is supposed to build storage tracks in Widet Circle. Both using eminent domain or purchase of private parcels. Was wondering how both were going to happen.
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Re: Boston's 2024 Olympic Bid: Posssible MBTA Improvements

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:48 pm

BandA wrote:Boston 2024 was going to build a stadium in Widet Circle. Commuter rail is supposed to build storage tracks in Widet Circle. Both using eminent domain or purchase of private parcels. Was wondering how both were going to happen.


Well, theoretically you can pack underneath the deck with any transit goodies you want. Train storage. Combine Cabot + Albany + Southampton garages into one bus super-yard for strictly storage purposes, then have a proper maint building with lifts and whatnot in the sunlight a block away down Haul Road. Or a little bit of both big bus storage and big train storage. Seriously...you could store 400 buses and a Readville's (12 layup tracks) worth of nuthin but circle-T logo vehicles neat and tidy under the deck of JUST the Food Market properties inside the loop track. We haven't even breached the subject of the BTD lot acreage and all the other nooks and crannies. As long as there's ventilation stacks strategically placed up top it's potentially the best of all worlds to have yard storage tucked underneath, development all on top.


That wasn't what they were planning. There was absolutely no thought whatsoever to how they were gonna do it. They thought they could do all parking on the lower level...not figuring out exactly how one was supposed to get that insane a number of cars in and out of there via that dank little access road. They shoved all the decking costs on the single developer they wanted to build the entire site, making it so that it would take 20 years or longer to recoup the up-front money. In a good economy, nevermind periodic bad ones. Which scared away any potential developers from taking on the risk. They never even inquired with MassDOT if that massive undergrade easement sweetened the vehicle storage pot enough that they'd be willing to underwrite some of the decking cost to defray some of the risk. Especially when some of the properties they'd be consolidating under there, like Albany garage, are worth big $$$ for redevelopment...and horse-trading property for easements + decking money moves enough liquid assets around to get the decking job done at little sunk cost and little risk. But absolutely no one posed that question.

They thought they could deck over the entirety of Cabot Yard, including the Red Line maint buildings that stick up above the would-be deck level. It said nothing about exactly where Red Line maintenance was going to be done with said decking (and oh, BTW, all this was gonna dump a kajillion new Red riders on Broadway and SS...so Red kind of needs optimal maint facilities to be up to that task). It said nothing about how they were going to replace the maint functions of Cabot garage. Or the commuter rail building. They thought of nothing but pretty pictures on PowerPoints. And it convinced no one and was one of the primary reasons for the bid's downfall.


BIG inter-institution communication failure here. And I'd lay the blame primarily with Boston 2024, City Hall, the BRA, and absolute bupkis steering from the State House. MassDOT had the liquidity to offer to close the funding gaps. But it's not their responsibility to step forward and initiate. They have no self-interest to be Boston 2024's savior. But somebody coming to them and talking deal? Hell...for the vehicle storage they could get under that deck, modernized facilities they could get, money they could get for redev parcels like Albany, and political capital they could net by being the saviors of the Olympics offering tradeable assets at no net loss...yeah, you better believe they're gonna listen and think deadly seriously about playing their leverage for a win (or, rather, win-win).

But nobody asked.

That's everything you need to know about what bubble Boston 2024 was living in. They had no awareness of the world outside their clubby circle. And this lack of awareness failed them...hard.
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Re: Boston's 2024 Olympic Bid: Posssible MBTA Improvements

Postby dowlingm » Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:01 pm

And now the clubby circle is looking at Toronto. No way we are ready by then starting from basically zero (IOC are looking desperate to even consider us), but it's a good opportunity for the pols to remind us we get no nice transit things without a big sports event forcing the issue. Sigh.
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