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Park Street Station

Postby ebtmikado » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:38 am

I know that the Red Line station at Park Street was known as Park Street Under,
but was the Green Line station ever known as Park Street Over, or is this just
a faded memory of a fantasy I had some 50 years ago?
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Re: Park Street Station

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:24 am

ebtmikado wrote:I know that the Red Line station at Park Street was known as Park Street Under,
but was the Green Line station ever known as Park Street Over, or is this just
a faded memory of a fantasy I had some 50 years ago?
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No. Any station with an "...Under" was suffixed in the "...Under" part only. It's self-explanatory that "not-Under" means "Over", so they didn't ever do redundant suffixing on the upper-level transfer. In some cases the Over and Under had entirely different station names.
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Re: Park Street Station

Postby MBTA3247 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:00 pm

Additionally, Park Street Under and Scollay Square Under were both built after the Green Line platforms, which simply retained their original names.
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Re: Park Street Station

Postby Gerry6309 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:45 am

The other "Under" station was South Station - See surviving tile sign on northbound platform - in this case the 'over' was an el stop about 90 feet up - not the railroad station. People used to add 'Under' to stations not deserving it. My aunt used to call Washington "Washington Street Under".
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Re: Park Street Station

Postby jonnhrr » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:20 pm

I miss the old station names - Devonshire (State on the Blue Line), MIlk, Union/Friend. A quirkiness that probably drove visitors crazy but one of the charms of the old BERy/MTA.

I guess Atlantic (now Aquarium) wasn't "Atlantic Under" because it was built before the Atlantic Ave. El?

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Re: Park Street Station

Postby Gerry6309 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:39 pm

jonnhrr wrote:I miss the old station names - Devonshire (State on the Blue Line), MIlk, Union/Friend. A quirkiness that probably drove visitors crazy but one of the charms of the old BERy/MTA.

I guess Atlantic (now Aquarium) wasn't "Atlantic Under" because it was built before the Atlantic Ave. El?

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The Station above was STATE. There was no "UNDER" unless the Station names were the same.
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Re: Park Street Station

Postby highgreen215 » Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:25 am

I may be wrong but wasn't the Harvard - Ashmont (pre-Red Line) station named WASHINGTON UNDER, even though the upper stations were SUMMER and WINTER?
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Re: Park Street Station

Postby Gerry6309 » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:22 am

highgreen215 wrote:I may be wrong but wasn't the Harvard - Ashmont (pre-Red Line) station named WASHINGTON UNDER, even though the upper stations were SUMMER and WINTER?

The name on the signs was plain WASHINGTON. Many people called it Washington Street Under though.
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Re: Park Street Station

Postby The EGE » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:46 am

I'm trying to assume a complete history of Park Street from various sources on Wikipedia; here's what I've got so far. I have a pretty good understanding of how the station was modified up to about 1980, but I can't assemble a good timeline past then.

I have the following as current sources:
*From the NETransit history, the Red Line platforms were extended northwest sometime between 1984 and 1987 to accommodate 6-car trains.
* I have 1989 and 1990 maps in various formats (and most other maps after) explicitly designating it as handicapped accessible, and a 2000 map claiming accessibility for the Red Line level only.
*As of this 2007 report, elevator #804 (street to Red Line fare lobby) dated to 1991, #812 (GL eastbound to tunnel) and #823 (GL westbound to tunnel) dated to 1993, and #808 (fare lobby to RL) dated to 1987.
* Elevators #978 (surface to GL westbound fare area) and 979 (GL westbound to RL) opened on December 21, 2012, per MBTA press release.

So, it sounds like there were three separate renovations: the original four elevators and the RL platform extension in the 1980s, more modifications around 2003 (which i can't find any sources for), and the two additional elevators in 2012. Does anyone have further details / sources?
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Re: Park Street Station

Postby CRail » Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:35 pm

The opposite of under is "upper". Nowhere except regarding busways will you see this in print, but I've often heard and referred to several patforms as upper/under including Harvard and Porter as well as at stations like Park Street and Downtown Crossing.
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Re: Park Street Station

Postby jwhite07 » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:09 pm

The EGE wrote:So, it sounds like there were three separate renovations: the original four elevators and the RL platform extension in the 1980s, more modifications around 2003 (which i can't find any sources for), and the two additional elevators in 2012. Does anyone have further details / sources?


The "around 2003" mods you refer to were probably the project to raise platform heights by eight inches for compatibility with the retractable wheelchair ramp systems on Type 8s, although most of that work was done in 2002.

Another notable but unmentioned renovation at Park Street was the renovation of the two remaining headhouses (there were originally four) between 2000 and 2002.

Both factoids from the March/April 2002 issue of Roll Sign magazine.
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Re: Park Street Station

Postby The EGE » Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:31 pm

Thank you, that's exactly the sort of information I was looking for.
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Re: Park Street Station

Postby Yellowspoon » Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:51 pm

Gerry6309 wrote:The Station above was STATE. There was no "UNDER" unless the Station names were the same.
IIRC: STATE was lower than Devonshire. The Orange Line passes under the Blue Line.
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Re: Park Street Station

Postby Gerry6309 » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:59 pm

Yellowspoon wrote:
Gerry6309 wrote:The Station above was STATE. There was no "UNDER" unless the Station names were the same.
IIRC: STATE was lower than Devonshire. The Orange Line passes under the Blue Line.

Wrong STATE, at Atlantic Av. STATE was on an el structure, ATLANTIC was deep underground. There were some nifty elevators which traveled diagonally between the two. Another quirk TWO STATE stations and two BOYLSTON stations. Independent in both cases.
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Re: Park Street Station

Postby Fred Rabin » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:33 pm

The station on the Green Line was "Boylston Street". The southbound station on the Orange Line was "Boylston".
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