Ridership Tops 37 Million For The 1st Time

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Ridership Tops 37 Million For The 1st Time

Postby NH2060 » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:40 am

Considering how crowded it can be nowadays this sounds pretty accurate ;-) (Fair use quote below)
The Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority said Friday that the 37.28 million passenger trips in October were 1.5 percent more than the year-ago month.

https://www.wbur.org/2014/11/28/mbta-ri ... 37-million
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Re: Ridership Tops 37 Million For The 1st Time

Postby BandA » Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:37 pm

Services that are really popular, services that are crowded, should be run at operational break even. I think we are at the point with some of the subways and commuter rail lines that they should start pulling their own weight.
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Re: Ridership Tops 37 Million For The 1st Time

Postby Gerry6309 » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:22 pm

BandA wrote:Services that are really popular, services that are crowded, should be run at operational break even. I think we are at the point with some of the subways and commuter rail lines that they should start pulling their own weight.

We still have the problem that the system is prohibited from increasing service to meet demand. No matter how badly a route is crowded, the MBTA can only increase the service if they take it from somewhere else. It is unfair to all riders, and to the employees, especially operators with full vehicles who have to pass a stop with people waiting.
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Re: Ridership Tops 37 Million For The 1st Time

Postby BostonUrbEx » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:57 pm

BandA wrote:Services that are really popular, services that are crowded, should be run at operational break even. I think we are at the point with some of the subways and commuter rail lines that they should start pulling their own weight.


The Southeast Expressway is one of the most "popular" highways in New England, but no one is pulling for that highway to break even. They even have a new multi-billion dollar South Bay Interchange and new multi-billion dollar Tip O'Neil Tunnel. Where's the all-electric-tolling and peak pricing to pay for it?
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Re: Ridership Tops 37 Million For The 1st Time

Postby Bramdeisroberts » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:57 pm

BostonUrbEx wrote:The Southeast Expressway is one of the most "popular" highways in New England, but no one is pulling for that highway to break even. They even have a new multi-billion dollar South Bay Interchange and new multi-billion dollar Tip O'Neil Tunnel. Where's the all-electric-tolling and peak pricing to pay for it?


May we live to see the day.

While we're at it, let's add congestion charges to Boston Proper and Cambridge with the extra revenue earmarked for T expansion and service improvements.
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Re: Ridership Tops 37 Million For The 1st Time

Postby Gerry6309 » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:59 am

Bramdeisroberts wrote:
BostonUrbEx wrote:The Southeast Expressway is one of the most "popular" highways in New England, but no one is pulling for that highway to break even. They even have a new multi-billion dollar South Bay Interchange and new multi-billion dollar Tip O'Neil Tunnel. Where's the all-electric-tolling and peak pricing to pay for it?


May we live to see the day.

While we're at it, let's add congestion charges to Boston Proper and Cambridge with the extra revenue earmarked for T expansion and service improvements.

It works in London!
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Re: Ridership Tops 37 Million For The 1st Time

Postby BandA » Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:17 am

I'm talking break even on operating costs, maintenance, and perhaps depreciation, not full capital costs. Increase federal gas tax to fully cover average highway construction and maintenance costs. Eliminate all tolls on the pike except congestion tolls at rush hour only from 495 to Boston. Apply to all congested highways going to boston. Eliminate Mystic River toll. Keep tunnel tolls as being "premium" roadways. Eliminate commercial vehicle surcharge in tunnels.

The T's sister agency, the Mass Turnpike Authority, collects approx. $0.20 per mile in tolls on the Mass Turnpike Extension. They make a profit at $0.20 that they use to subsidize 93, harbor tunnels, etc.

(*) <=== keep toll at West Stockbridge, increase to $1. Tell NY gov if he elimanates tolls between MA line & Albany, MA will drop West Stockbridge toll.

So, yeah highways and passenger railroads should should both cover their operating cost.
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