Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

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Fenway Center / Yawkey Station Discussion

Postby trainhq » Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:41 pm

Well, now it's official; the Sox are staying at Fenway.
But what will they do to improve Yawkey Station;
will they allow for longer trains on the Worcester Line?
Wouldn't it be possible for them to put a siding in to
run trains down the NEC; they'd go up to Back Bay, hop out and change ends, and then head down the
NEC. I know that sounds kind of dopey, but they
could do it with no more than a couple of minutes
stop at Back Bay, and I'd bet they'd fill the train.
That would be nearly 1500 more commuter rail seats
for Red Sox games.
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Postby Ron Newman » Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:15 pm

You may as well bring the train all the way into South Station, and change ends there. It would provide an easy connection to the Red Line from Fenway Park.
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Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:50 pm

the MBTA should do special shuttle runs of commuter sets to Yawkey from S. Station every few mintues, and they should make the platform longer. too bad there is only a platform on one track
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Postby TomNelligan » Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:54 pm

It's going to be tough to add many more trains (as opposed to longer trains) for ballgame service to Yawkey Station because of track capacity. Weekday games begin at 7 PM and people start arriving in large numbers before 5:30, at which time you're going to run into lots of conflicts with regular commuter service. However, adding a platform on the north side (is that still designated track #1, as in traditional B&A numbering?) would go a long way towards providing some operational flexibility.
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Postby Ron Newman » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:00 pm

They should also add (or, rather, restore) platforms on the north side at the Newton stations, so that all trains going either way can make all stops in Newton.
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Postby SnoozerZ49 » Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:28 pm

There is a Saturday train that comesup from S. Attleboro that immideatley turns for Worcester as soon as it gets in. You can stay on the train and when it is recrewed and the WOrcester passengers are boarded it is off to Yawkey. This turn is published in the public timetable. I agree with everyone though, better service to Fenway is needed.
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Postby bierhere » Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:39 am

Is there any realistic way to create a transportation hub near Yawkee that would unite Commuter rail, Green lines ( D or E lines ) and the various bus lines in the area.
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Postby octr202 » Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:47 am

Ron Newman wrote:They should also add (or, rather, restore) platforms on the north side at the Newton stations, so that all trains going either way can make all stops in Newton.


That's been talked about a lot. The problem is that if the T does any work on the stations, they have to make them ADA compliant, and given the location, that will take literally millions. Not only will the hillsides that support Washington St. have to be cut back, but elevators will have to be installed to get people from the overpasses where the station entrances are down to platform level. Each station will take at least two elevators (possibly four if both entrances to some are required to be made accessable), plus, the issue of high versus low platforms will come up all over again, since this is part of CSXT's high/wide clearance route. Not to say that the project isn't worthwhile, but it will be big dollars and a lot of squabbles back and forth when and if it ever happens.
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Postby BigRock » Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:59 am

Yes! Build the proposed Urban Ring as an underground light rail line.

bierhere wrote:Is there any realistic way to create a transportation hub near Yawkee that would unite Commuter rail, Green lines ( D or E lines ) and the various bus lines in the area.
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Postby Ron Newman » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:26 am

Why can't people just cross the tracks at grade level in Newton to get to the (restored) other platform? No need for cutting in the hillside, elevators, etc.
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Postby trainhq » Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:03 am

It would seem to me that an easy fix that would help
some would be to put some switches around Yawkey,
and fix one train going up from Attleboro during rush hour to immediately turn at South Station and head to Worcester. That way, you'd get a South Station train
up Attleboro going to Yawkey.

Then, coming back later when you're not sure when the game would end and there's less traffic on the Worcester line, you could park a train for Attleboro at the Yawkey platform about 3 hours after the start of the game and let the incoming Worcester line train(s) just go around it on the other tracks. When the
game ends, the train would go up to South Station and
turn and go to Attleboro. Since the train wouldn't be running down the NEC until after 10:15, there should be plenty of leeway for it to be early or late. That way, you'd get a train on the Worcester line and one on the Attleboro line, and connect to South Station with minimal investment.
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Postby octr202 » Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:55 am

Ron Newman wrote:Why can't people just cross the tracks at grade level in Newton to get to the (restored) other platform? No need for cutting in the hillside, elevators, etc.


Well, given the propensity for people using grade-level crossings to try to occupy the same space and time as a train going in the opposite direction, I can't see anyone allowing new grade level access to be put in across the tracks there.

Witness the new ped bridges put in at places like Framingham, and the fence built at Wellesley Hills (or Farms, can't remember which) to keep people from going across the tracks at grade-level.
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Postby NealG » Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:18 pm

Where does the D line pass beneath the Mass Pike? Perhaps an underground station could be built between the Kenmore and Fenway stops that is closer to the Park and at or near Yawkey Station.
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Postby ceo » Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:53 pm

NealG wrote:Where does the D line pass beneath the Mass Pike? Perhaps an underground station could be built between the Kenmore and Fenway stops that is closer to the Park and at or near Yawkey Station.

What problem would that solve, other than making the walk to Fenway Park from the Green Line marginally shorter?
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Postby MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 » Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:36 pm

is there enough room to make another platform on the outbound track (i think) , the mass pike side of the track
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