JFK and RFK Funeral Trains/train orders

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Re: JFK and RFK Funeral Trains/train orders

Postby motor » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:22 am

Dr-Asterisk wrote:For those of you that would like to see this item.Image
Or a larger one here http://www.lukris.nu/ebay/JFKTrainOrder/TrainOrderJFK.jpg


Dr-Asterisk, re that train order, where was "Mexico" on the Wabash?

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Re: JFK and RFK Funeral Trains/train orders

Postby CarterB » Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:53 am

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Dr-Asterisk, re that train order, where was "Mexico" on the Wabash?
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Mexico, MO
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Re: JFK and RFK Funeral Trains/train orders

Postby Bigt » Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:53 am

Not to do with the RFK funeral train, but, Trains Magazine once did a great piece on the preparation
and running of the funeral train for President Eisenhower. A great deal of planning was involved by a
number of railroads. Because of the President's health condition (a number of heart attacks), there was
the time for advanced planning - something that PC did not have for RFK. Nevertheless, with all the
planning that was in place, there were still last minute glitches. Really a great read!
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Re: JFK and RFK Funeral Trains/train orders

Postby ThirdRail7 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:39 pm

If anyone is interested, the orders, staffing, routing, scheduling, and consist information for this move is STILL posted in Sunnyside Yard.
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Re: JFK and RFK Funeral Trains/train orders

Postby ThirdRail7 » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:07 am

Speaking if which, I was looking at the consist information for this train. What is a "Congo Coach?" I tried to find pictures, but nothing came up.
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Re: JFK and RFK Funeral Trains/train orders

Postby Noel Weaver » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:36 am

ThirdRail7 wrote:Speaking if which, I was looking at the consist information for this train. What is a "Congo Coach?" I tried to find pictures, but nothing came up.


"Congo Coaches" were built by the Budd Company in the years following WW-II, I think the early 50's especially for the Pennsylvania Railroad Congressional betwen New York and Washington and the Senator between Boston and Washington. They were great to ride, had decent seating and all systems worked well. In the Penn Central years the fleet got busted up and the cars appeared on many different trains mixed with almost anything else. At least a fair number of them ended up with Amtrak which ran them again mostly in the northeast. Some were rebuilt for New York State service but eventually they were withdrawn from service. They probably had some miles left on them when Amtrak pulled them out of service and I think they were every bit as comfortable as anything else that were running on Amtrak through the years. There were other cars in this order besides the coaches; parlor cars, observation/lounge cars and dining cars.
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Re: JFK and RFK Funeral Trains/train orders

Postby sixroute » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:07 pm

I recently saw film from RFKs funeral train.
PRR (or PC) 120 was the observation car. It was in Tuscan livery , but had "Penn Central " on the letterboard and PC worms on the car.
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Re: JFK and RFK Funeral Trains/train orders

Postby ThirdRail7 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:07 pm

Noel Weaver wrote:
ThirdRail7 wrote:Speaking if which, I was looking at the consist information for this train. What is a "Congo Coach?" I tried to find pictures, but nothing came up.


"Congo Coaches" were built by the Budd Company in the years following WW-II, I think the early 50's especially for the Pennsylvania Railroad Congressional betwen New York and Washington and the Senator between Boston and Washington. They were great to ride, had decent seating and all systems worked well. In the Penn Central years the fleet got busted up and the cars appeared on many different trains mixed with almost anything else. At least a fair number of them ended up with Amtrak which ran them again mostly in the northeast. Some were rebuilt for New York State service but eventually they were withdrawn from service. They probably had some miles left on them when Amtrak pulled them out of service and I think they were every bit as comfortable as anything else that were running on Amtrak through the years. There were other cars in this order besides the coaches; parlor cars, observation/lounge cars and dining cars.
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Thank you for the information. So, it is safe to assume the converted "Clocker" coaches that ended their career on the Adirondack were the Congo coaches?

As for the 120, yes it was the last car of the train. It had 21 cars and even stopped at Chester, PA and Perryville MD.
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