NYC Business Car 20 - "Hiram"

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NYC Business Car 20 - "Hiram"

Postby PRRGuy » Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:00 pm

Rumor has it that the former CSS&SB business car "Hiram" is an EX NYC Business car...anyone have any info?

This is that car circa 1995 after it was sold to the TP&W
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Postby erie2937 » Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:40 pm

Hiram was NYC 20. Before that it was owned and operated by Pullman and carried the name Mount Desert. It was built in 1923 by Pullman. It's Pullman lot number is 4816. Pullman plan number is/was 3521. NYC lot number was 2228. It is a sister car of NYC 19 which was the Mount Hood. NYC 19 went first to C.V. Whitney who operated it as Wanderer and then to NdeM where it was numbered 3522. It's fate in the land of the taco is unknown to me.
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Postby PRRGuy » Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:55 am

Wow, thanks for the quick reply and the very helpful info!
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Postby Otto Vondrak » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:29 am

When did 20 leave the NYC? leave the South Shore?

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Postby PRRGuy » Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:54 pm

this site says It left the NYC in 1966 to private ownership and eventually made to the CSS&SB at some point in the 80's..leased to them I believe. Also, I'm pretty sure that the car left the South Shore within a year or two after it's 1989 bankruptsy, which then it traveled to the TP&W. The last known photo I have of the "Hiram" the one above dated 1995.
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Re: NYC Business car?

Postby trainbrain27 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:03 pm

Built in 1923 as a 10 section/observation lounge by Pullman and named Mt. Desert. Operated in general pool service until sold to the New York Central Railroad, after extensive rebuilding the car was outshopped as business car #20 with four staterooms (1948) in NYC Lot #2228, then to PC #3, old 1966 to Buzz Norton* and named Hiram, under lease to CSS&SB with Amtrak #800127. Sold in 1995 to Toledo, Peoria & Western, now stored at Gateway in Madison, Illinois (near St. Louis)

* Richard "Buzz" Norton is involved with the last private commuter car in the nation, I wonder if Hiram served that purpose at some point.

I hope business picks up and Gateway can get more of their stock out on the rails.
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Re: NYC Business car?

Postby John_Perkowski » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:03 am

Considering the RBB&B auction, and considering the possible loss of Amtrak LD subsidy by the Trump Administration, the fate of too many of these cars will be the scrap line.
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