Poughkeepsie Bridge question

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Poughkeepsie Bridge question

Postby ExCon90 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:16 pm

For Noel Weaver: I don't know whether you follow Worldwide Railfan, but a question has come up as to whether the bridge had a gauntlet track. I think I've heard that it did, but you would know. (I couldn't find an existing thread.)
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge question

Postby Noel Weaver » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:41 pm

Yes, it did. The gauntlet was established back in the early teens or so when the two tracks were centered and overlapped in order to center the weight of the 2-10-2's on the structure. The gauntlet lasted until sometime around 1957 or 1958 when they took up the second track between Highland and Maybrook and established CTC operation there. The Maybrook Line from Poughkeepsie east to Derby Junction except between Fair Grounds and Berkshire Junction where they left the second track in use was converted to CTC in the later 50's or very early 60's, I would have to dig to find the exact dates that this took place and it took place in stages. They did not do a particularly good job with the CTC having cut every corner that they could but they did not really need double track all the way either for 6 or 7 freight trains each way a day. I worked that line a fair number of times over the years and rode passenger trains over the bridge as well. It was an experience to say the least. I think the walkway is a great use at least at this location as future rail use was and is absolutely out of the question.
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge question

Postby ExCon90 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:20 pm

Noel, thanks very much for that.
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge question

Postby TCurtin » Wed May 24, 2017 9:56 am

CTC was effective Berkshire Jct - Derby JCt on 3/10/1961 and Poughkeepsie - Fair Grounds 5/22/61
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge question

Postby SemperFidelis » Wed May 24, 2017 3:21 pm

Quick question...perhaps someone knows the answer.

Why did the railroad bother with a gauntlet track rather than simply making the bridge single tracked with switches at either end? Since two trains can't use the bridge at the same time anyway, it just seems like it would be simpler that way.
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge question

Postby Noel Weaver » Wed May 24, 2017 5:25 pm

SemperFidelis wrote:Quick question...perhaps someone knows the answer.

Why did the railroad bother with a gauntlet track rather than simply making the bridge single tracked with switches at either end? Since two trains can't use the bridge at the same time anyway, it just seems like it would be simpler that way.


The gauntlet was done maybe some 100 years ago. Long before remote interlockings, modern signals of the current period and other improvements. It worked and worked fairly well for the period.
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge question

Postby SemperFidelis » Wed May 24, 2017 6:35 pm

Ah, didn't think of that. Thank you.

I kind of figured when I was writing the question that the bridge either had switches that were controlled from a local tower or that the men assigned to watch and maintain the bridge would have been in charge of throwing switches.

But, again, thank you for the information. Always nice to learn something new!
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge question

Postby ExCon90 » Thu May 25, 2017 3:32 pm

A dramatic saving in maintenance when you think of it--one inert frog at each end versus two turnouts. I was told some 40 years ago that an interlocked switch with all the attendant circuits cost (I think) $500,000 then--I think it's about 3 times that today--just to install, and after that it has to be maintained.
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Re: Poughkeepsie Bridge question

Postby glennk419 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:58 pm

This is somewhat bridge related and I couldn't find another more appropriate thread.

While scanning the Maybrook rail trail on Google Maps, I noticed a couple points of interest named Maybrook Signal, CP Grand and Maybrook Signal CP Poughkeepsie. Going down to street view, there is a fully restored and obviously illuminated, westbound dual aspect searchlight signal standing at CP Grand ( Grand Avenue grade crossing ) https://www.google.com/maps/place/Maybrook+Signal+CP-Grand/@41.7135676,-73.8958995,3a,60y,142.7h,95.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy8JBjhyZnP563kYOPMwZTw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x15f67a03aedcc9b6!8m2!3d41.7135136!4d-73.8957784. I assume this was the approach signal to CP POK which was the WB home signal for the bridge. The the ground shot of CP POK is from 2012 and the signal was not yet restored. I would have to guess that it has received the same treatment if it's noted on the map. Nice to see that a little bit of infrastructure was preserved for those who probably never knew a railroad was ever there and those of us who still remember what once was.
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