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What is the oldest passenger locomotive in US revenue servic

Postby Ryand-Smith » Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:52 pm

As in the thread, I saw that my train was being pulled by a Dash 8 and a Genesis, but that got me to thinking, what is the oldest Current passenger locomotive in revenue service? I thought it might be NJ transits GP40s but I feel I am wrong on this.
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Postby litz » Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:53 pm

You probably need to specify in commuter and/or amtrak service.

There are steam engines pushing a hundred years old in tourist/museum service ...

and lots of first generation (GP9) diesels, too
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Postby Ryand-Smith » Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:12 am

True, if it is steam I think a John Bull is running somewhere, but I should say active commuter (I.E. LIRR/Caltrans) service.
Also for Amtrak, what is the oldest active locomotive in service.
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Postby MEC407 » Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:32 am

With the AEM7s soon to be gone, Amtrak's oldest locomotives in revenue passenger service would be Dash 8-32BWHs, which were built in 1991, followed by the P40DCs (1993), the P32AC-DMs and HHP8s (1996), and the F59PHIs (1998).

Some people might also count the NPCUs even though those are unpowered. I remember hearing that Amtrak considers them "locomotives" for the purpose of their rule books. Those date back to the mid to late '70s.
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Postby MickD » Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:55 pm

If it's a commuter unit,NJ Transit's GP-40s built
in '68 might qualify
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Postby Ken S. » Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:49 pm

MEC407 wrote:With the AEM7s soon to be gone, Amtrak's oldest locomotives in revenue passenger service would be Dash 8-32BWHs, which were built in 1991, followed by the P40DCs (1993), the P32AC-DMs and HHP8s (1996), and the F59PHIs (1998).

Some people might also count the NPCUs even though those are unpowered. I remember hearing that Amtrak considers them "locomotives" for the purpose of their rule books. Those date back to the mid to late '70s.


The HHP-9s came around 2000 and outside of the MARC units are retired now also.

To answer the original question, I believe that honor might fall to NJ Transit GP40PH-2 4101 which was built in 1968 as CNJ GP40P 3672 and not counting any rebuilt rebuilt freight units that might have a lower serial number (4101's number is 34249).
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Postby John_Perkowski » Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:47 pm

Right now, UP 844/3985, which now and again move in revenue service, to save the Company bucks over a deadhead.
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Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:29 pm

Hmm guess you do not understand passenger locomotive ?
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Postby ExCon90 » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:12 pm

The OP said passenger locomotive in revenue service; 844 is a passenger locomotive. Many of that class were hauling passenger trains from Kansas City as late as 1953; 844 has never been officially retired, and if it's currently hauling UP freight trains it's in revenue service.
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Postby John_Perkowski » Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:50 pm

Here's a pic of one of the earlier 800s in 1946.
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Postby mp15ac » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:03 am

Actually that's an early photo of a late 800. Single, combined steam/sand dome, and Commonwealth pilot make it an FEF3. As delivered they did not have the smoke deflectors.

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Postby John_Perkowski » Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:34 pm

So noted. That's the first time I've seen a picture of an FEF-3 without deflectors.
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Postby John_Perkowski » Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:37 pm

Oh, lest we forget: UP several times used 844 (then 8444) on the point of the California Zephyr in the days when the routing was by the Overland Route to position her for Denver Frontier Days cattlemens special moves and fantrips. That puts her in passenger revenue service.
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Postby tj48 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:36 am

Do rebuilds count? From rrpicturearchives.net
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=4433431

Or maybe these 2 purpose built EMD's. From rrpicturearchives.net
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=4175115
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Postby John_Perkowski » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:53 pm

Unless that GP-40 is off the frame of an FT, you've got some ways to go to get to UP 844's 1944 build date...
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