Another anthracite RR - DL&W

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Another anthracite RR - DL&W

Postby gsmith36tow » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:18 pm

I am new to this forum - can anyone tell me why the Lackawanna RR (DL&W) is not included in the list? Using anthracite was certainly it's main advertising factor. Remember Phoebe Snow, who never got her white clothes sooty?
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Re: Another anthracite RR - DL&W

Postby scottychaos » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:34 pm

Yes, the DL&W is usually considered an "Anthracite road"..thats true.
but its not lumped into this forum simply because there is a separate Erie-DL&W-EL forum on railroad.net.

There were once separate forums for many of the railroads here, LV, CNJ and RDG had their own forums..
a decision was made (unnecessary, in my opinion) to lump many of them together into this one forum..
but Erie-DL&W-EL was deemed "large enough" to remain in their own forum..

So DL&W is not here simply due to specific decisions of the RR.net powers that be, and because the DL&W
makes more sense in a combined Erie-DL&W-EL forum that it does in this forum..those are the only reasons.
has nothing to do with DL&W not being considered an "Anthracite road"..

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Re: Another anthracite RR - DL&W

Postby glennk419 » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:44 am

Is it just me or does the activity seem to have dwindled since the original, individual forums were "Conrailed" into the group forum?
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Re: Another anthracite RR - DL&W

Postby Franklin Gowen » Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:17 pm

glennk419 wrote:Is it just me or does the activity seem to have dwindled since the original, individual forums were "Conrailed" into the group forum?

No, it's not just you, Glenn. Many of the formerly prolific members decided to "vote with their feet" after Otto ripped up the existing anthracite railroad forums and welded them together 15 months ago. They might still login to this website on occasion, but if they post anything at all it doesn't seem to be posted here. :/

I can't say that I'm surprised by the response. At the time I had hoped that Otto's action might stimulate participation here, but instead that move has stagnated it. It's clear that our active membership valued the consistency of the then-existing separate anthracite forums much more than they valued having everything consolidated. I'm certain that in a purely technical sense it's possible (though inconvenient) for this site's leadership to un-scramble this egg, but I don't know if "un-Conrailing" everything might be too late to attract lost membership back.
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Re: Another anthracite RR - DL&W

Postby Bethlehem Jct. » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:43 am

A more pragmatic reason why the Lackawanna isn't part of the Anthracite forum: Pulling out the DL&W specific threads from the already existing EL thread would be painful.
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Re: Another anthracite RR - DL&W

Postby westernfalls » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:49 am

Franklin Gowen wrote:...but I don't know if "un-Conrailing" everything might be too late...

But, in the end, Conrail did get un-Conrailed.
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Re: Another anthracite RR - DL&W

Postby Franklin Gowen » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:06 am

Bethlehem Jct. wrote:A more pragmatic reason why the Lackawanna isn't part of the Anthracite forum: Pulling out the DL&W specific threads from the already existing EL thread would be painful.

Agreed; that would be a protracted and messy operation. Possible, but difficult.

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Franklin Gowen wrote:...but I don't know if "un-Conrailing" everything might be too late...

But, in the end, Conrail did get un-Conrailed.

True. On this website, will art mirror reality? "Only the Shadow knows." :-D
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Re: Another anthracite RR - DL&W

Postby Roadgeek Adam » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:19 am

Franklin Gowen wrote:
glennk419 wrote:Is it just me or does the activity seem to have dwindled since the original, individual forums were "Conrailed" into the group forum?

No, it's not just you, Glenn. Many of the formerly prolific members decided to "vote with their feet" after Otto ripped up the existing anthracite railroad forums and welded them together 15 months ago. They might still login to this website on occasion, but if they post anything at all it doesn't seem to be posted here. :/

I can't say that I'm surprised by the response. At the time I had hoped that Otto's action might stimulate participation here, but instead that move has stagnated it. It's clear that our active membership valued the consistency of the then-existing separate anthracite forums much more than they valued having everything consolidated. I'm certain that in a purely technical sense it's possible (though inconvenient) for this site's leadership to un-scramble this egg, but I don't know if "un-Conrailing" everything might be too late to attract lost membership back.


I remember when the original proposal happened, it was proposed to merge ALL railroads that made Conrail into one forum (what a gigantic mess that would be). However, as a common contributor to the Erie / Lackawanna / EL boards, tis already dead enough. Besides in retrospect, they deserve to be together.
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Re: Another anthracite RR - DL&W

Postby CAR_FLOATER » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:24 pm

Having re-re-disposed of the monster, it can be said that most things around here used to be Otto's fault!

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