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DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby Port Jervis » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:55 pm

Didn't know there was a yard here. Anyone know when it was removed?

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Re: DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby TSTOM » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:27 pm

PJ -

This photo captioned as 1971....

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/bldg/sorg-yd.jpg

Obvious that all the cat wire had been removed and the rails are very crusty. Guessing it went OOS in late 60's.

Entire area is now occupied by an athletic fields complex.
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Re: DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby JasW » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:40 am

I remember that yard. There were cars there right up until the EL started pulling up the tracks, so it must have gone OOS just before 1971, probably that year or 1970. I also remember that structure to the right. What was that? It wasn't a tower, and there were no tracks leading to it.
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Re: DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby TSTOM » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:30 pm

Jas -

My guess is a power house.

South Orange tower was directly across the ROW on the Eastbound side.
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Re: DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby rails2 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:05 pm

I have DL&W blueprints of the yard and surrounding area, dated 1961, and the "building" is not shown. The blueprint covers from about First Street to just short of Maplewood station.

If I recall correctly, it was only part of a building--maybe only 1 wall and a corner, with a turntable in front of it.

Thanks for posting the pix. I've been scouring the web looking for pictures to go with the blueprint.

If anyone knows where there are pictures of the nearby pump house spur, I'd be really interested in seeing them. The end of the spur had the rails bent UP in a semicircle. Not something you see every day.

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Re: DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby livesteamer » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:17 pm

There was an interlocking tower at South Orange and it was located directly across the tracks from the MU yards. The tower was a very busy place during morning and afternoon commute. I believe there may have been as many as half dozen commuter runs that started and ended at South Orange and the operator's job was to get MUs into the yard without delaying the Morristown, Gladstone and Dover trains .
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Re: DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby JasW » Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:51 am

I don't recall any commuter runs starting or ending at South Orange back in the day, if we are talking about 60s-70s. Virtually always Dover, occasionally Morristown, and of course Summit for the Gladstone Branch.

In any event, here's the tower at South Orange:

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Re: DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby livesteamer » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:16 am

My grandad was Boonton line first trick train dispatcher--I would visit the tower with him in the late 50s and very early 60s. I am very sure that there were South Orange trains during our tower visit. I will do a little bit more research with my ETTs and check in with a buddy who really knows his Lackawanna stuff.
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Re: DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby JasW » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:46 am

livesteamer wrote:My grandad was Boonton line first trick train dispatcher--I would visit the tower with him in the late 50s and very early 60s. I am very sure that there were South Orange trains during our tower visit. I will do a little bit more research with my ETTs and check in with a buddy who really knows his Lackawanna stuff.


I just checked the '36 and '52 OGR, and don't see anything originating or terminating in South Orange. I'm not sure why the DL&W would have had such a run starting/ending at what is only MP 15 on the M&E -- all there is in between is Orange, East Orange, and Newark (cities, that is, not just the stations by those names). Although it is curious why they were storing MUs in the yard in South Orange.
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Re: DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby livesteamer » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:51 am

IIFC, the Lackawanna train numbering system for the M&E went like this:

100-Montclair
200-South Orange
300-Summit
400-Gladstaone
500-Morristown
600-Dover
1100-Diesel Powered Dover and Netcong on the Boonton Line
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Re: DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby livesteamer » Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:53 am

Here's an update off the erie-lackawanna list courtesy of Gary Kazin


I have a few scattered timetables...

12/13/42 - Looks like 'full' South Orange service, with 13 outbound and 8 inbound peak hour trains.

10/30/55 - 11 evening peak trains to South Orange, 6 morning peak trains inbound.

10/28/62 - 8 evening, 3 morning.

4/26/70 - None outbound, one inbound but with a Summit (300) number.



More folks are looking for a more accurate last date of South Orange Turns
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Re: DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby JasW » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:10 pm

Huh. My "real life" (if not always trustworthy) memory of what ran on the M&E only dates to the mid-60s, so it seems South Orange trains had expired by then. But oddly enough, if you look at the DL&W entry in the 1952 OGR (the only thing online I can currently point to), you'll see there are no trains that either originate or terminate in South Orange. I'm not sure why there would be South Orange trains 10 years earlier in '42, none in '52, and then South Orange trains again three years later in '55.

The train numbering you recall is uncanny. From the '52 OGR, it looks right, but again, no 200s for South Orange (or 300s for Summit). Also there were 900s for Dover and 800s for Gladstone. I'll have to check the mid-60s OGR I have elsewhere to refresh my "real life" memory.
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Re: DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby JimBoylan » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:22 pm

Listings in the Official Guide of the Railways are really paid ads. The DL&W wasn't the only road to economize by omitting or condensing some schedules submitted to the Guide.
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Re: DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby livesteamer » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:31 pm

Here's another update from Bob Bahrs



Gary, Marty, and List
General Order N-458 Effective 1:01AM Monday October 3, 1966 shows the new
schedules superseding those on pages 93-170 of ETT No 4. This new
schedule does away with South Orange trains. New ETT No 5 would be printed and
in effect Oct 30, 1966.

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Re: DL&W South Orange yard?

Postby livesteamer » Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:39 pm

I have a 1958 ETT that shows on a Monday-Friday schedule that included 9 eastbound and 9 westbound 200 series (South Orange) trains with at least two set of equipment set to run to Milburn and terminate at Milburn. Also looks like at least two sets of westbound trains terminated at South Orange and returned to Hoboken as a deadhead move and two more westbound trains came out of Hoboken in early morning hours as equipment moves that returned to Hoboken for morning commute.
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