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D&H Paper Trains

Postby staustell92 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:59 pm

As I recall, ca. 1967 there were two southbound trains each week of newsprint from Canada, and they were referred to as the "paper trains".

Does anyone recall the symbols for these two trains? They were probably "RW" with a number after them.
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Re: D&H Paper Trains

Postby charlie6017 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:17 pm

RW-6 was one of the symbols. This link below has a neat article from Karl R. Zimmermann
about the D&H and has some other great info on their symbol trains.

http://ctr.trains.com/~/media/Files/PDF ... e%20DH.pdf

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Re: D&H Paper Trains

Postby ChiefTroll » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:31 pm

In 1967, two freight trains ran south from Rouses Point (RO) each day. RW-6 was the "Paper Train," which handled mostly newsprint from both CN (CN train 432) and CP (NJ train 102). The Rouses Point yard engine made up RW-6 in the evening, so it would be ready to depart as soon as WR-1 (the train of empty paper cars) arrived and the power was serviced. Newsprint cars were normally loaded with two stacks of rolls on end, and any impact would make the rolls go out of round and become useless. The Rouses Point Yard Crew had six trainmen so they could ride every cut to an easy coupling.

RW-6 was a "per diem job" in the days when car hire (per diem) was charged to the railroad that had the car at midnight. If he got away from RO in good time, like 10:30 p,m., he could usually arrive at Wilkes-Barre for interchange to CNJ before midnight.

WR-1 was also a hot "per diem job," with the objective of getting the MT's off line by midnight, both to CN at RO and CP at Delson via NJ 105. If there was no chance of getting the headlight of 105 past the home signal at Delson by 11:59 p.m., NJ 105 would often be annulled.

The other southward train from RO was SC-20, a "local" to Whitehall that handled almost everything else between RO and Port Henry. That job departed RO in the morning, after daylignt. He usually picked up at Plattsburgh, including Lyon Mountain iron ore, worked at Willsboro and picked up iron ore at Port Henry. He did not handle Ticonderoga paper, because that local ran to and from Whitehall and brought in his own cars. He handled any "short" paper cars from RO and southbound paper and empties from Plattsburgh. When ore was running, up to the closure of Lyon Mountain mines in July 1967, SC-20 could run with 120 cars. It was a fairly long "local."

A lot of the outbound specialty paper from Plattsburgh went north to RO and west via CP to midwest US destination. We didn't really like that, but CP published a low rate and that's how the game was played.

SC-20 turned into RO-2 (Rouses Point - Oneonta) at Whitehall, and handled most of the ordinary traffic south of Whitehall to Oneonta, where it was placed into other Binghamton and Wilkes-Barre trains.

The northward counterparts were WR-1, mentioned above, and WR-3. WR-3 became SC-19 at Whitehall and handled most of the ordinary traffic between Port Henry and Rouses Point, including MT hoppers for iron ore.

RW-6 had a Saratoga-Champlain Division (R&S) crew headquarted at RO, and they laid over at Whitehall. The R&S crew for SC-19/SC-20 was headquartered at Whitehall, and they laid over at RO.

Between Whitehall and Oneonta all four trains were operated by either R&S or Susquehanna Division (A&S) crews on a mileage equalization agreeement. I don't recall which side normally owned which job. Same between Oneonta and Wilkes-Barre, between A&S and Penn Division crews.

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Re: D&H Paper Trains

Postby Engineer Spike » Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:14 pm

I have been told that the paper train made a non-stop crew change at Whitehall. Certain sides of the job between Whitehall and Oneonta were A&S, while others were R&S. Everyone says that the paper trains were not to be delayed! It was the hottest train on the whole railroad. If I remember correctly, this train was extended to Pot Yard, after the Conrail forced expansion.
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Re: D&H Paper Trains

Postby ChiefTroll » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:38 am

WR-1 and RW-6 were especially "hot" in the time when per diem was charged at midnight. It's possible that one or the other might have been recrewed on the fly at Whitehall, but that does not correspond with my understanding of the operation at the time. First, each crew had an assigned caboose. While I was at Oneonta, I recall that the Rouses Point caboose commonly stayed with RW-6 to Oneonta, with the Whitehall caboose behind it carrying the crew. A Whitehall yard engine attached the second caboose.

WR-1 carried two cabooses from Oneonta. He cut off the Whitehall caboose on one main track at Whitehall because no yard engine was on duty that time. The Rouses Point crew boarded their caboose after taking rest at Whitehall, and returned to their home terminal. It's possible that the move with WR-1 could have been accomplished on the fly, maybe as a trial. All I can say for certain is that I never heard of it, and that I wasn't at Whitehall at the time.

I don't recall whether the Oneonta-Whitehall side of the job belonged to the R&S or A&S side, or if it was split half and half or so depending on the mileage equalization. WR-3 and RO-2 (the south continuation of SC-19 and SC-20) also worked under that mileage equalization arrangement.
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Re: D&H Paper Trains

Postby staustell92 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:36 am

Approximately how many cars were usually on RW-6? 80? More?
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Re: D&H Paper Trains

Postby charlie6017 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:45 pm

staustell92 wrote:Approximately how many cars were usually on RW-6? 80? More?


I'm guessing these trains were substantial, especially since they were hot trains when per diems were
involved, as Gordon mentioned in a previous post. Railroads back then didn't want to be charged another
day's car-rate. That said, I don't have any specific car counts.

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