Surviving B&M equipment

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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby MEC407 » Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:15 pm

Interesting. Here's a screen capture from that Google Street View:

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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby NHV 669 » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:14 am

To add to what was posted three years ago, by toolmaker, the following exists in the local area:

I presume this to be the restored C-165, moved down the road maybe a mile or so:

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.2809039,-71.8083236,3a,75y,122.41h,89.6t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sdWj1twwSf0H2uHfSRsATug!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DdWj1twwSf0H2uHfSRsATug%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D184.82086%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656

Down in Bath, across the historic covered bridge, this caboose has been a private residence for quite some time (in front of the house, dead center of the frame):

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.1670156,-71.9664669,3a,75y,316.34h,82.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv5V9fXy9MHh7Vg8jwPgn8Q!2e0!7i3328!8i1664!6m1!1e1

These old boxcars still survive in Woodsville, perhaps in use of storage of some sort (second one is hidden):

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.1504162,-72.0354428,3a,75y,81.64h,69.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sj1l828C7W80ub5GeX1-4lw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby arthur d. » Fri Jan 01, 2016 5:30 pm

eustis22 wrote:
Looks like it's numbered 413 but pics of B&M 413 show a cupola.


413 was one of the 1921 Laconia cars originally in the 104600 series. In 1959 these were sold to Morrison, given almost total rebuilds (under frames and trucks original), given a new build date of 1959 and leased back to the B&M. A portion of these came back as transfer buggies without monitors. How old is your photo of 413 with its monitor?
Note also in the google view, besides the boxcar, at least one more pair of trucks and, in front of the boxcar, the really old (notice the exposed truss rods?) rolling under frame.
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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby eustis22 » Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:07 pm

i'm doing an upclose look shortly...stand by for pics. Thank you for the history...any identifying marks I should look for?
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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby jbvb » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:15 pm

My understanding is that the International rebuilds were C-100 to C-137, built 1959 using trucks and underframes from 104600 cabooses, with cupolas. The flat-tops were C-150 - 169, built new in 1960. The Winter 1977-78 B&M Bulletin article on the International rebuilds makes no mention of any without cupolas.
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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby philipmartin » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:31 pm

Here's a video of a B&M RDC 6211 getting to a park in Bedford via the local highways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92QpGmt5Ed
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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby arthur d. » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:57 am

jbvb wrote:The Winter 1977-78 B&M Bulletin article on the International rebuilds makes no mention of any without cupolas.


Likely you are correct. Every time I go looking for data on those buggies the distinction of the transfer jobs gets blurred, most likely due to their arrival on the heels of the rebuilt Laconia cars . Time to adjust the dosage on the Aricept. Info about the B&M buggies is a train wreck, scattered everywhere. There is another article somewhere in the Bulletins, just a little one, not even mentioned in the master index, discussing the transfer jobs. With what, thirty volumes now, I'm not bored enough to do a page by page search for it just now.
I also looked at Gilbert's book - which has a few flaws, I should know better. He shows 104613 becoming 413, but doesn't explain how it went from one to the other, and its a bit late to ask him how he came to that conclusion.
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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby eustis22 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:13 am

Ok, I managed to wander around a little and took some photos...I found out who owns the cars but have not spoken to the gentlemen yet, and it was mentioned that 413 was sold.

I have some questions to go with the photos....did the Navy ever build trucks? USN and Navy are stamped on the wheelsets. I could not parse out the markings on the boxcar though I did get the manufacturers plate for further research. There is what looks to be a crumbling BAR MOW car as well as another flat car on the property. The wheelset at the end of the caboose is not joined to the caboose. If something is rebuilt, does that rebuild date go on as date of manufacture? The inside of the caboose looks pretty well kept, though I didn't get a pic (I figured being up on it was trespassing enough).

Photos need to be shrunk before I can add so watch this space.
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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby eustis22 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:32 pm

Photos included, for your review and comment
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Manufacture date or rebuild date?
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BAR MOW?
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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby eustis22 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:36 pm

below are the USN stamped wheelsets
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truck next to caboose
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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby doublebell » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:36 pm

Buggy in Hudson, along the Central Mass
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.392722, ... 6656?hl=en
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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby BostonUrbEx » Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:41 am

I find it amazing how many cabeese are scattered throughout New England. Did people buy them? Were they being given away for the cost of shipping? There's individual cabeese from B&M and MEC all over the place.
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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby Engineer Spike » Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:16 pm

There way a PS car at Shelburne Falls Trolley Museum. Several buggies around Canaan, CT. I think it's a diner at Illinois Railway Museum.

Once I was driving around Middlebury Watertown area of Connecticut. On a back road someone had a steel boxcar, and maybe a buggy in a yard. I tried to find it again, but was unable.

VTR has some of the 300 class, and CP does too, but has been selling them with the big order of new geeps. KCS got the 200 class, but I don't know how many are there still.
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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby jbvb » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:20 pm

This needs a thorough update, particularly regarding the Boise Budds now at the Grand Canyon Ry., but it does give details of the diner and cafe at IRM:

http://www.faracresfarm.com/jbvb/rr/bmrr/pass_pre.html
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Re: Surviving B&M equipment

Postby CSRR573 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:00 pm

Is any of the pan am wreck train old b&m stuff?
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