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Postby MikeF » Sun Dec 05, 2004 8:27 am

I've just finished assembling a complete list of the disposition of all the orange cars, including those that were scrapped. The only cars not listed here are the diners, which were scrapped in the '40s. "NPS" indicates the car is owned by the National Park Service. "O&TRM" stands for Overhead & Third Rail Museum Group, which was the previous incarnation of the RAIL Foundation.

1 NPS - Southern Michigan Railroad (Clinton, Mich.)

2 Scrapped 1985 by O&TRM

3 RAIL Foundation (Noblesville, Ind.)

4 RAIL Foundation (North Judson, Ind.)

5 RAIL Foundation (Indianapolis, Ind.)

6 NPS - RAIL Foundation? (Bloomington, Ind.)

7 NPS - Fox River Trolley Museum (South Elgin, Ill.)

8 NPS - Illinois Railway Museum (Union, Ill.)

9 NPS - East Troy Electric Railroad (East Troy, Wis.)

10 Rebuilt 1951 into car 110

11 Michigan Transit Museum (Mount Clemens, Mich.)

12 Scrapped 1985 by O&TRM

13 NPS - East Troy Electric Railroad (East Troy, Wis.)

14 Fox River Trolley Museum (South Elgin, Ill.)

15 NPS - National New York Central Railroad Museum (Elkhart, Ind.)

16 Scrapped 1985 by O&TRM

17 Private Owner (Chesterton, Ind.)

18 Scrapped 1975 by CSS&SB

19 NPS - Illinois Railway Museum (Union, Ill.)

20 Scrapped 1985 by O&TRM

21 NPS - East Troy Electric Railroad (East Troy, Wis.)

22 Scrapped mid-1990s? (Florida)

23 NPS - RAIL Foundation? (Indianapolis, Ind.)

24 East Troy Electric Railroad (East Troy, Wis.)

25 East Troy Electric Railroad (East Troy, Wis.)

26 Private Owner (Chesterton, Ind.)

27 Scrapped 1985 by O&TRM

28 Illinois Railway Museum (Union, Ill.)

29 Rebuilt 1951 into car 111

30 East Troy Electric Railroad (East Troy, Wis.)

31 RAIL Foundation (North Judson, Ind.)

32 NPS - Seashore Trolley Museum (Kennebunkport, Maine)

33 NPS - RAIL Foundation? (Bloomington, Ind.)

34 Illinois Railway Museum (Union, Ill.)

35 Scrapped 1975 by CSS&SB

36 NPS - Southern Michigan Railroad (Raisin Center, Mich.)

37 NPS - Illinois Railway Museum (Union, Ill.)

38 Boone & Scenic Valley Railroad (Boone, Iowa)

39 Boone & Scenic Valley Railroad (Boone, Iowa)

40 NPS - Illinois Railway Museum (Union, Ill.)

100 Private Owner (Chesterton, Ind.)

101 Scrapped 1985 by O&TRM

102 Boone & Scenic Valley Railroad (Boone, Iowa)

103 Scrapped after 1983

104 Private Owner (Chesterton, Ind.)

105 Scrapped after 1983

106 Boone & Scenic Valley Railroad (Boone, Iowa)

107 NPS - RAIL Foundation? (Bloomington, Ind.)

108 Scrapped 2001 by RAIL Foundation (North Judson, Ind.)

109 Boone & Scenic Valley Railroad (Boone, Iowa)

110 Scrapped after 1983

111 East Troy Electric Railroad (East Troy, Wis.)

201 Scrapped 10/16/2004 by RAIL Foundation (Connersville, Ind.)

202 Sold 3/1983 to Gengnarel Lumber Co. (Auburn, Ind.); Scrapped 2000 by RAIL Foundation

203 NPS - RAIL Foundation? (Indianapolis, Ind.)

204 Indiana Railroad Museum (French Lick, Ind.)

205 Indiana Transportation Museum (Noblesville, Ind.)

206 Indiana Railroad Museum (French Lick, Ind.)

207 Scrapped 1972 by CSS&SB

208 Scrapped 1974 by CSS&SB

209 Scrapped 1972 by CSS&SB

210 Scrapped 1974 by CSS&SB

211 Scrapped 1974 by CSS&SB

212 Scrapped 1972 by CSS&SB

351 RAIL Foundation (Atlanta, Ind.)

352 Sold 1945 to MBA Construction Co.

353 Scrapped 1974 by CSS&SB

354 Scrapped 1974 by CSS&SB

503 City of Scottsburg, Indiana

504 Illinois Railway Museum (Union, Ill.)
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Postby bratkinson » Fri Dec 31, 2004 8:10 pm

FWIW, I saw some of the 200 series trailers being scrapped right at the shops in Michigan City in the 70s. I even managed to get a few odds and ends from them with the permission of one of the workers. What I found most interesting is they simply buried most of the not-large-pieces-of-metal out near what is now the new shops.
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Postby PRRGuy » Sat Jan 01, 2005 1:54 am

Interesting to know, I didnt know they did any scrapping in the yard. I'll have to ask the old heads around here and see if they saved anything cool looking.
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Postby CSS&SB702 » Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:41 pm

I took some photos in the mid 80's of car #27 and #110 being scrapped right outside of the new shops building. :(
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Postby dinwitty » Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:38 pm

I heard that the Chessie, which owned the SS did not maintain the cars in expectation of the line's abandonement, but had they done so the cars could have been in great shape.

at that juncture new cars were a necessity out of their own designed neglect.
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Postby Hambone » Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:36 pm

Some of the cars got scrapped at Michigan City in the early 80s too, I have a pic of a couple getting cut up, trucks just sitting in the mud.
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Postby MR77100 » Sat Mar 19, 2005 1:02 am

I am sorry to hear that 108 was scrapped after being stored at North Judson. How can a museum possibly scrap a piece of rolling stock after attempting to preserve it in the first place? BTW, what are HVRM's plans for the other 2 cars?
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Postby MikeF » Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:24 am

I doubt HVRM has any plans for 4 and 31; the museum does not own them. Their owner, the RAIL Foundation led by Bob Harris, is storing them there and was responsible for scrapping 108. Although it is always a shame to see the old cars scrapped, many of them are in such disrepair that there really is not much hope of ever restoring them. Harris and his associates have scrapped a number of their worst cars in order to obtain parts for the ones in better condition. That group is responsible for the outstanding total restoration of car 33 to its original appearance.
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Postby MichiganMike » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:22 pm

The old Line car IS going to the National New York Central Museum in Elkhart Indiana, a very cool worthy addition i think! By the way, my name is Mike, im from the Detroit, Mi area and love the South Shore, I jsut recently was able to make a trip to Michigan City were I spent a few nice days and took about 200 photos. I think it is one of the most unique lines in the US today. I see that there are many great knowledgeable people who watch the South SHore here and look fwd to reading all the posts. I would also liek to sahre my pictrues here, Ill get some links up.

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Postby PRRGuy » Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:29 am

Hello and welcome,
Hope you had a nice trip. Did you make it over to the shops yard, if so When were you out there? Perhaps I saw you, I know I saw someone on the overpass last sunday taking pictures, about 4pm I think. Anywho, can't wait to see some of those pics..who knows, I might be in the background!
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Postby espeefoamer » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:42 pm

Wow :-D ! It's great to see how many South Shore cars were preserved.I was able to ride the line from Chicago to Michigan City shops in 1978 AND 1979.In '78 I got to ride up front with the motorman for most of the trip.I saw car 1100 out on the line,and saw all three Little Joes,two of them in service.I have since ridden to both the South Bend terminal (Bendix) and the new line to the airport.Riding the old cars was a GREAT experience :-D !
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Postby dinwitty » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:21 pm

I'm curious about what happened to the 700 class engines.
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Postby PRRGuy » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:36 pm

As far as I know they were all scrapped in the 70's. South shore had a hard time finding new wheels and that combined with the age of them let to their retirement.
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Postby CSS&SB702 » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:59 am

Yep, all the 700's went to Hyman-Michaels for scrap in April 1976. :( That's too bad, I think they were one of the coolest looking locos ever built. As a kid, I often got rides in the 700's while the crew was switching cars around South Bend. I got a chance to ride in all 7 of them! :-D . I wonder if the crews realized they were giving a kid life long memories? :wink:
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Postby dinwitty » Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:02 pm

I was in gary years ago, 8mm camera in hand, a 700 was parked there , had a fire in one cab end, interior glass was smoked up. Its on film.

I will have to re-view my films on the SS.... 8-D
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