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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Postby SCB2525 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:35 pm

The MFL does not have the capacity to allow an extension appreciably far up the Boulevard, though the plan always was to extend it TO the Boulevard to meet a BSL extension. The BSL was designed to a much higher standard with 4 tracks specifically to accommodate (several) extensions. You would only need to tunnel from the end of the ramps north of Erie to some portal of a location as yet determined (I don't know if planning ever got that far).
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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Postby jonnhrr » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:15 pm

ex Budd man wrote:It would be cheaper to built an elevated extension of the M-F line to Roosevelt Blvd. than to tunnel from Broad Street. Tunneling has too many potential obstacles; countless underground utilities and three circles come to mind. Built it on the median with access from the side walks. Run it all the way to Neshaminy Mall. That might lighten the traffic on the West Trenton line.


Nowadays with TBM's tunneling is not as disruptive as it used to be with cut and cover construction. Still expensive though.

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Postby SEPTA2461 » Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:33 pm

Just as a memory refresher, was the ramp from the never-to-be Northeast Extension, along with the Olney ramp, built along with the rest of the line in 1928?
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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Postby SEPTA2461 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:40 pm

ex Budd man wrote:It would be cheaper to built an elevated extension of the M-F line to Roosevelt Blvd. than to tunnel from Broad Street. Tunneling has too many potential obstacles; countless underground utilities and three circles come to mind. Built it on the median with access from the side walks. Run it all the way to Neshaminy Mall. That might lighten the traffic on the West Trenton line.

I thought the plan was to build it under the Pennway power line.
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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Postby JimBoylan » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:00 am

The drawing linked in the original post was probably for Roosevelt Blvd. & Rising Sun Ave. It shows the head house for the underground station in the middle of the Boulevard, and the PCCs with standee windows on Rising Sun Ave. The proposed route from Broad St. was to go under Hunting Park to about 9th St. & Roosevelt Blvd., so there would not have been a station at Roosevelt Blvd. & Old York Rd, the only other intersection with a trolley line.
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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Postby bikentransit » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:39 pm

This should be built over the KOP extension. It would serve so many more riders on a corridor choked in traffic that is extremely dangerous to drive.
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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Postby JeffK » Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:41 pm

bikentransit wrote:This should be built over the KOP extension. It would serve so many more riders on a corridor choked in traffic that is extremely dangerous to drive.

Right or wrong, K of P managed to attract more, and earlier, municipal and business support than either Roosevelt Blvd or a southern BSS extension so it moved up the priority ladder. Beyond that even if support for one of the other extensions were to quickly coalesce, K of P couldn't simply be put on hold and picked up later. The somewhat perverse way planning's done for major capital projects means that the K of P clock would effectively reset to (near) zero; almost everything from choosing a locally-preferred alternative to environmental studies would have to be redone.
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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Postby bikentransit » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:09 pm

That is a terrible way to conduct planning and use of scarce capital resources. But there's no argument because it's abundantly true. If projects were chosen based on merit and not how many politicos signed up for supporting it, the Bethlehem, Newtown and Reading corridors would have been built long ago, because they are the most congested areas in the region, collectively second to Roosevelt Boulevard. The sheer pricetag for the Boulevard makes it un-buildable at this point. For whatever reason, this state has problems funding transit projects while other states are forging ahead with new starts.
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