SEPTA to Piggyback on NJT MLV III (EMU) Order?

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Re: SEPTA to Piggyback on NJT MLV III (EMU) Order?

Postby jamesinclair » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:42 pm

ChesterValley wrote:I've been stranded on multiple trains for 2 hours, which is always fun when Amtrak has a delay or some other hiccup on the Paoli line. The R5 train from Thorndale though Doylestown lasts from 4:50 am to 730 am in the morning with multiple thorough runs lasting through the day, even with the crew change at suburban that's still a long haul. Furthermore SEPTA needs to do something to compete with Uber/lyft, bathrooms would be a very attractive amenity assuming they maintain them properly


Good point, bathrooms can be critical in times of service failure.

Id note that Caltrain was having the same debate 1-2 years ago.
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Re: SEPTA to Piggyback on NJT MLV III (EMU) Order?

Postby ExCon90 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:47 pm

"... assuming they maintain them properly." That's been the problem all along. SEPTA has no facilities for servicing restrooms (I don't think the PRR or RDG ever had anything more than dry hoppers on their MU's) and there would probably be considerable expense involved in providing them. It will probably take a serious delay, with an incident that gets into the newspapers, to produce enough pressure -- and money -- to change things.
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Re: SEPTA to Piggyback on NJT MLV III (EMU) Order?

Postby ryanov » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:10 am

There are plenty of time one wants a bathroom. For example, needing one after heading out but not wanting to miss a train over it. Or having no time before and after the train trip, but having 40 mins sitting around doing nothing.
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Re: SEPTA to Piggyback on NJT MLV III (EMU) Order?

Postby NorthPennLimited » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:21 pm

Conrail has a “honey wagon” truck that travels around to Morrisville, Stony Creek Yard, Port Richmond, and Millville to pump out the holding tanks on the locomotives held captive on local shifters that can’t get to the engine house at Camden on regular intervals to service the toilets.

It also holds sand for sanding locomotives.

So the infrastructure isn’t THAT expensive to service toilets. It COULD be done if there was a necessity.

I also saw the same type Honey Wagon truck on NS servicing locomotives at Abrams and Morrisville. Not sure what CSX does for toilet servicing outside the hub in Philadelphia. It was a white Peterbilt with a thoroughbred on the cab door.

A quick internet search found this truck that Hulcher uses if SEPTA wants to sub-contract lavatory service on its trains.
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Re: SEPTA to Piggyback on NJT MLV III (EMU) Order?

Postby ChemiosMurphy » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:55 pm

There's no way a honey-wagon on rubber wheels could service an entire fleet hundreds of passenger cars. A few locomotives, sure, but not an entire fleet.

Maybe I'm a pessimist, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell Septa could keep bathrooms clean on trains considering what a disaster a static, non-moving Suburban Station is. Anyone care to pass the Febreeze?

Poo aside, the one thing that would be great with the possible MLV fleet is access to stations with short platforms. It always sucks to have passengers trudge through other cars to alight at their respective stations, especially when the conductors don't tell people that their door won't open. Cramming more people in fewer cars will help servicing short platforms.

The full back length seats on the MLV's are much more comfy that the Jeep Wrangler-esque backseats on the S4's.

The USB A chargers should be promptly struck from the new MLVs. They'll suffer the same fate of absolute obliteration like those at PHL. Two 120v outlets would do wonders for road warriors on laptops before/after work. Besides, public USB ports are a vector for malware, I always bring a wall-wort with me.

I hope Septa can fund these. Comfy seats, no middle seat, and increased reliability... Win win win.
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Re: SEPTA to Piggyback on NJT MLV III (EMU) Order?

Postby zebrasepta » Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:25 pm

idk if SEPTA is gonna get rid of the bells on these if they ever got them at all since they started using the bells more on their push-pull sets and on the ACS-64s
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