SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby mcgrath618 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:35 pm

https://www.philly.com/philly/business/ ... 80111.html

Very interesting. $1 Billion for a complete overhaul though?
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby ekt8750 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:54 pm

mcgrath618 wrote:https://www.philly.com/philly/business/transportation/septa-billion-dollar-plan-to-upgrade-trolleys-make-ada-compliant-20180111.html

Very interesting. $1 Billion for a complete overhaul though?


Yep. 6 lines and the corridors that they run on will have to be completely reconfigured to accept low floor vehicles and safely board both able bodied and disabled passengers.

Think about what they did to the eastern half of Erie Av for the 56 and 10 fold it.
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby SCB2525 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:01 pm

One of the biggest expenses after fleet replacement is likely bridge reinforcement (the new vehicles are significantly longer/heavier).
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby njt/mnrrbuff » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:40 pm

In the short term, Septa will get its service restored to Coatesville.
https://www.dailylocal.com/news/septa-r ... 9a0c2.html
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby mcgrath618 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:02 pm

njt/mnrrbuff wrote:In the short term, Septa will get its service restored to Coatesville.
https://www.dailylocal.com/news/septa-r ... 9a0c2.html

Won't this require crews to qualify to Lancaster again? Awesome news.
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby njt/mnrrbuff » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:27 pm

Don't know about qualifying to Lancaster again but I could imagine as far as a different spot west of Coatesville. I remember years ago after service to Parkesburg was eliminated, there was a proposal to restore the service to Atglen.
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby mcgrath618 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:40 pm

When are we thinking this could happen? The article says “in the near future” which could mean in 9 months or in two years. Will they wait for the new station or just start service as soon as possible?
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby njt/mnrrbuff » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:20 am

Yes the service restoration won’t start yet until the new station in Coatesville is built. At this point, if they are waiting a few years for the service to begin and the station will be built soon, then more people will be happy to arrive into a much nicer station. I guess there is a growing number of people who are moving further west into Chester County that can benefit from the Septa service to Coatesville.
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby mcgrath618 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:34 am

http://www.planthekeystone.com/Pages/Ar ... oject.aspx

Construction on Ardmore is set to begin this summer. Thank god; that station is a brutalist nightmare.
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby rcthompson04 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:56 pm

East Whiteland pushing “Frazer” station concept

http://www.eastwhiteland.org/368/Train- ... lity-Study
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby mcgrath618 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:37 am

rcthompson04 wrote:East Whiteland pushing “Frazer” station concept

http://www.eastwhiteland.org/368/Train- ... lity-Study


As much as I am a fan of new stations, does this make much sense? You can't just drive to Exton station?
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby NorthPennLimited » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:22 pm

Let them have it. We have 4 stations within a mile of Lansdale
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby rcthompson04 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:40 pm

NorthPennLimited wrote:Let them have it. We have 4 stations within a mile of Lansdale


Exton to Malvern is the longest stretch on the line without a station outside of Philadelphia.
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby khecht » Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:49 am

rcthompson04 wrote:
NorthPennLimited wrote:Let them have it. We have 4 stations within a mile of Lansdale


Exton to Malvern is the longest stretch on the line without a station outside of Philadelphia.


The PRR had a Glenloch station at the Phoenixville Pike underpass just east of US 202, but while standing and restored, it now appears to be a private business or residence (http://www.west2k.com/pastations/chester.shtml). The proposed locations just north of the Immaculata campus and along Three Tun Road east of PA 352, a bit east of the old Glenloch station, appear to be better locations, particularly for parking. I’m not sure 300 parking spaces is enough given the sprawl of the area in recent decades, but coupled with the improvements at Exton it may be enough.

The Three Tun location might be preferable from a passenger perspective as the ROW hasn’t split there for the Trenton Cutoff flyover (west of Frazer Yard), thus keeping walking distances between the platforms shorter. Operationally for SEPTA, the Three Tun location seems to allow trains stopping there to access the east entrance to Frazer Yard, which would presumably allow any train currently serving Malvern to extend to this proposed Frazer station, also avoiding most reverse moves that would conflict with Amtrak traffic.

It’ll be interesting to see if this comes to fruition. I think it’s pretty likely that it would, but what decade is the question.
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Re: SEPTA Rebuilding for the Future Updates

Postby MACTRAXX » Thu May 02, 2019 8:20 pm

Everyone - Interesting report on 6abc Action News on 5/1 titled:
"Building it Better: How SEPTA plans to improve mass transit in Philadelphia"
https://www.6abc.com/travel/how-septa-p ... a/5280342/

One mistake I took notice to is the mention that the CRRC multilevels due in 2020 are going to
replace railcars dating from the 1970s (meaning the Silverliner Four cars) which is not the case
with only 55(?) new cars to be added to the fleet. This will only increase the amount of trains
using locomotive-hauled consists alongside the new ACS64 motors now in service.

An outright replacement will be the future order of Silverliner Six cars (around 200 cars) which
WILL replace the entire Silverliner Four fleet. These cars are now between 45 and 43 years old
as of this year. Do they have a legitimate chance to get to 50 years of service?

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