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Re: Best Place to see Toasters and ALP-44 before retirement

Postby liftedjeep » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:31 am

NorthPennLimited wrote:So the farewell trip is only going to be a round trip from Paoli to Suburban Station?

Seems they put minimal effort into planning the trip compared to the Blueliner and Budd trips.


They could also be doing absolutely nothing. Be glad for what Septa is offering!
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Re: Best Place to see Toasters and ALP-44 before retirement

Postby NorthPennLimited » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:40 am

You’re right. Something is better than nothing
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Re: Best Place to see Toasters and ALP-44 before retirement

Postby ExCon90 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:28 pm

NorthPennLimited wrote:So the farewell trip is only going to be a round trip from Paoli to Suburban Station?

Seems they put minimal effort into planning the trip compared to the Blueliner and Budd trips.

IIRC the Blueliner and Budd trips were arranged by the Philadelphia Chapter NRHS with the fans in mind. This appears to be strictly a SEPTA deal. As noted above, be glad of what there is.
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Re: Best Place to see Toasters and ALP-44 before retirement

Postby bikentransit » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:43 pm

Surprising to see a fan trip running on Amtrak rails. Would have been nice to have seen this on the West Trenton line, or Doylestown/Warminster which are more scenic and rarely see these cars and would have had more horn action. My guess is convenience: Run it into stub track at Suburban, then back out to Frazer for more shop work before NJT gets them. Nevertheless, good to see a final sendoff for these machines.
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Re: Best Place to see Toasters and ALP-44 before retirement

Postby njt/mnrrbuff » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:12 pm

Something is better than nothing so for those people partaking in the festivities, try to enjoy what is being offered. This was short notice and it probably involve plenty of "arm twisting" to Amtrak's management. Sadly I won't be able to attend because I will probably be donating to and photographing the NJ Toys for Tots train on the Susquehanna in NJ.
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Re: Farewell to the AEM7 excursion 12/1/2018

Postby MACTRAXX » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:03 pm

Everyone - My thoughts about the Saturday 12/1 Farewell to the AEM7 trip:

1-This was likely put together by SEPTA without any outside rail enthusiast organization being
involved with short notice. What surprised me is how short a period that this trip is scheduled
for which is just a 33 minute run eastbound from PAO-PHS; a one hour 12 minute CCP layover
and then a 28 minute run back to Paoli westbound for the finish.

2-The trip schedule as posted by SEPTA:
10:25AM-PAO
10:32AM-WAY
10:35AM-RAD
10:39AM-BMR
10:53AM-PHL30
10:58AM-PHS
*CCP Layover*
12:10PM-PHS
12:15PM-PHL30
12:24PM-BMR
12:28PM-RAD
12:31PM-WAY
12:38PM-PAO

3-Running this round trip - which can be compared timewise to a rush hour limited stop express
on the Paoli Line - makes sense since the AEM7s ran most often on this route.

4-Fares for this trip look to be regular Zone 3/4 weekend fares: OW $5.25 prepaid or $7.00 OB.
Independence Passes for $13 or any legacy pass having Anywhere weekend privileges are valid.
The Paoli SEPTA ticket office is open from 7AM to 3PM on Saturdays.

5-Amtrak likely had no problem with this trip schedule provided that there was no conflict with
any of their PHL-HAR trains. Eastbound SEPTA local trains leave PAO at 10:00 and 10:30AM.
Eastbound Amtrak #662 stops at PAO at 9:51AM and #664 at 10:54AM.
Westbound SEPTA local #1519 is scheduled to leave PHS at 12:13PM three minutes behind the
Special and Amtrak #43 Pennsylvanian is scheduled to stop at PAO at 1:10PM.

6-Expect a surprise (or two) on this trip. There will likely be two motors assigned for this special
farewell run - will one be ALP44 #2308? (the last operating ALP44 in case anyone is unaware)

7-Running this trip on more then one line would likely require sponsorship from one or more rail
enthusiast organizations and cost considerably more then regular fares. Amtrak's two NEC routes
(Wilmington/Newark and Trenton Lines) have traditionally not been used on special SEPTA fantrips.
We should all thank SEPTA for scheduling and operating this special Farewell trip. MACTRAXX
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Re: Farewell to the AEM7 excursion 12/1/2018

Postby liftedjeep » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:15 pm

MACTRAXX wrote:Everyone - My thoughts about the Saturday 12/1 Farewell to the AEM7 trip:

6-Expect a surprise (or two) on this trip. There will likely be two motors assigned for this special
farewell run - will one be ALP44 #2308? (the last operating ALP44 in case anyone is unaware)

7-Running this trip on more then one line would likely require sponsorship from one or more rail
enthusiast organizations and cost considerably more then regular fares. Amtrak's two NEC routes
(Wilmington/Newark and Trenton Lines) have traditionally not been used on special SEPTA fantrips.
We should all thank SEPTA for scheduling and operating this special Farewell trip. MACTRAXX



My guess is that Septa will put an AEM-7 on either end of the farewell excursion train, and operate it in push/pull mode for the trip. Yes, #2308 is the last operating ALP-44, but this is a "Farewell to the AEM-7" excursion. I personally think running the ALP for this trip would not make sense. We shall see what happens.....

And I agree, Septa deserves a big Thank You from all of us railfans for stepping up and making this special event happen!
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Re: Farewell to the AEM7 excursion 12/1/2018

Postby CNJGeep » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:09 pm

MACTRAXX wrote:will one be ALP44 #2308?

Looking good
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Re: Best Place to see Toasters and ALP-44 before retirement

Postby CNJGeep » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:11 pm

2308 east, 2301 west, four coaches.
The trip leaves five minutes before a revenue train east and three minutes before a revenue train west. Heavy, heavy crowding on the eastbound is a distinct possibility.


*****EDIT: Train will now be six cars.*****
*****EDIT #2: ALP44 2308 set to lead eastbound*****
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Re: Best Place to see Toasters and ALP-44 before retirement

Postby liftedjeep » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:45 pm

A few shots from today's (12/1) "Farewell to the AEM-7" excursion.

-The train is first pictured headed east through Narberth with ALP-44 #2308 leading. Upon reaching Philadelphia, AEM-7 #2301 did the honors back west for the final journey up Septa's Paoli-Thorndale Line. It was photographed leaving Suburban Station, headed for 30th St, which can be seen in the distance.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archiv ... ?id=130032

Again, a big THANK YOU to Septa for making this trip happen for all of us railfans!!
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Re: Best Place to see Toasters and ALP-44 before retirement

Postby mcgrath618 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:45 pm

Got to see her heading into the city and rode her back out. Really happy to have been on the last ride.
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Re: Best Place to see Toasters and ALP-44 before retirement

Postby ChemiosMurphy » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:12 pm

Ben, great shots.

I love the farewell signs with 1987-2018 on the front of the locomotives. A nice touch, Septa.
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Re: SEPTA AEM7/ALP44 Farewell Trip 12/1/2018

Postby MACTRAXX » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:19 pm

Ben and Everyone: Thanks for the photographs and videos from this AEM7/ALP44 Farewell trip...

Yes-I agree that putting 1987-2018 on #2301 and 1996-2018 on #2308 was a nice idea.
In case anyone does not know all eight of SEPTA's motors have their original builders plaques
intact and readable - March 1987 I believe was the build month for the seven SEPTA AEM7s.

How was the ridership on both runs? Did the eastbound get the anticipated (by CNJ) crowd?
We all again should thank SEPTA for holding this event...It will be interesting to see where
these eight motors end up (in lease service to NJT, SEPTA work trains or elsewhere) with their
regular service use ending...MACTRAXX
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Re: Best Place to see Toasters and ALP-44 before retirement

Postby CNJGeep » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:56 am

Surprisingly, the eastbound did NOT see the intense ridership I had anticipated. Reports from participants seem to indicate that there were seats available in each car.

The regular revenue train in front of the excursion (1514) got slammed, opening all four cars at Paoli.
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Re: Best Place to see Toasters and ALP-44 before retirement

Postby ChemiosMurphy » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:28 am

Are the locomotives going to stick around on SEPTA property for a while for use on non-renevue service, like they were on leaf duty this year?
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