SEPTA Comprehensive Bus/Trolley Reform

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Re: SEPTA Comprehensive Bus/Trolley Reform

Postby R3 Passenger » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:42 pm

MACTRAXX wrote:4-The mid 1970s vintage "Chestnut Street Transitway" was unfortunately a problem practically from
the beginning. Search "Chestnut Street Transitway History" and one can find articles written about
this failed mass transit experiment and how it never met expectations. In the late 1990s the street
was re-opened to other vehicles and still has the two lane limitation from its Transitway days...

MAC, no sooner do you say that than the Inky has an article on it: http://www2.philly.com/real-estate/inga ... 81213.html

And, as a rider of buses along Chestnut Street myself, she sums up the current condition very accurately:
Inga Saffron, Philadelphia Inquirer wrote:Unfortunately, I was stuck on the 42 bus, trying to get across town to meet friends.

Almost as soon as I boarded at 21st Street, the driver encountered a parked car in what is supposed to be a bus-only lane. The street was jammed with traffic, making it hard to change lanes. Pedestrians passed us as we inched toward 17th Street, where a tide of humanity flooded the crosswalks and kept cars from turning right. After several light-cycle changes, the bus plunged forward half a block, only to be thwarted by an Uber pickup. Another half block on, at 15th Street, everything came to a halt: A VIP party bus lazed idly in front Del Frisco’s, one set of wheels straddling the left lane, making it impossible for anyone to squeeze past.


For a week, there was a large presence of PPD and PPA officers handing out tickets to these offenders (delivery trucks are the biggest offenders), and bus traffic sped up significantly. Then the officers disappeared and the 12 block per hour bus speeds returned.

There is a problem, but nobody wants to spend the time or money to effectively address it. Welcome to Philadelphia!
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Re: SEPTA Comprehensive Bus/Trolley Reform

Postby ryanov » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:29 am

Man, I sat on a bus for probably an extra 30-45 minutes once in DC because of UBER. The damn scourge. I won't use them at all, but people who do, the least you could do is yell at them when they make hare-brained and dangerous maneuvers.
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Re: SEPTA Comprehensive Bus/Trolley Reform

Postby pjabowling » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:33 am

Septa could use the 8th and Market site for a transit hub and you could still put a building there. Part of the site is directly over the subway station and will not support a large weight.

Free bus routes on Market, Chestnut and Market would work. Septa runs near empty articulated buses through Center City all day. Those buses and drivers could be put to better use.
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Re: SEPTA Comprehensive Bus/Trolley Reform

Postby mcgrath618 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:54 am

pjabowling wrote:
Free bus routes on Market, Chestnut and Market would work. Septa runs near empty articulated buses through Center City all day. Those buses and drivers could be put to better use.

Again, why would SEPTA want to run FREE buses down Market when there is a perfectly capable subway running the same route?
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Re: SEPTA Comprehensive Bus/Trolley Reform

Postby MACTRAXX » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:00 pm

pjabowling wrote:Septa could use the 8th and Market site for a transit hub and you could still put a building there. Part of the site is directly over the subway station and will not support a large weight.

Free bus routes on Market, Chestnut and Market would work. Septa runs near empty articulated buses through Center City all day. Those buses and drivers could be put to better use.

1-SEPTA would at minimum have to lease part of this property for any bus facility around 8/Market.
Do you have any evidence that this site will not be able to support a tall structure?
This site is large enough that a tall structure will not have to be built directly over the subways
below - which are primarily below 8th and Market Streets - and be set back away from sidewalks.

2-With SEPTA's "Every Dime Every Time" fare mentality allowing free bus rides on Center City
buses will likely never happen. This has good intent but with the enforcement problems that will
likely arise from a no-fare zone this will not come to pass.

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