First (?) images of double-deck body shells

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First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby JeffK » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:24 am

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/ro ... -test.html

After the Hyundai-Rotem debacle I'm withholding judgement. CRRC's a huge manufacturer worldwide but they were the lowest bidder and have only recently entered the North American market :(
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Re: First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby mcgrath618 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:36 am

That looks surprisingly SEPTA-esque.
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Re: First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby mtuandrew » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:38 pm

I like them - they look like the child of a LIRR C3 and a gallery car. Hope they work out well for you guys.

Also, I reposted the article in the Amtrak thread New Equipment. Thanks, JeffK.
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Re: First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby mcgrath618 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:06 pm

Will they have wifi and/or bathrooms?
I would expect at this point for them to have SOME form of internet connectivity, but I suspect that as the City Sprinters did not receive bathrooms that these cars will not either.

Either way, when these come in, they'll have enough spare cars to resume Bethlehem and Pottstown service :P
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Re: First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby ChesterValley » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:18 pm

McGrath,

According to the project technical specifications proposal found here https://septa.org/business/bid/100k/detail/Multi%20Level%20Cab%20and%20Coach%20Rail%20Cars%20-%20RFP%20No%2015-00063%20-%20AJAC%20-%20Initial%20Release%20-%20File%203%20of%203%20-Technical%20Specifications.pdf on page 394, WiFi should be on the cars. They are also coming with bike racks according to page 209. Assuming these bi-level bricks don't have structural problems, I'm interested to see what the final product will look like.
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Re: First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby Backshophoss » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:32 pm

At first glance,they look like MBTA Rotem cab cars,with a twist of NJT's ML-II's built in.
Don't see any low platform door openings. :(
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Re: First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby JeffK » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:35 pm

Backshophoss wrote:Don't see any low platform door openings. :(

Found this in the RFP: "Stainless steel step wells, consisting of three (3) steps with Darkar or approved equivalent anti-skid surfaces, shall be located at the end vestibule entrances equipped for high level and low level platform stations."

mcgrath618 wrote:Will they have wifi and/or bathrooms?

No bathrooms. According to SEPTA "Ya gotta know when to hold it and know when to fold it." 🎸
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Re: First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby andrewjw » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:10 pm

Backshophoss wrote:At first glance,they look like MBTA Rotem cab cars,with a twist of NJT's ML-II's built in.
Don't see any low platform door openings. :(

I suspect the cab end of the cab cars will not have low platform openings becuase they decrease the structural integrity around the engineer. So perhaps the far end of the car has them.
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Re: First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby Backshophoss » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:25 pm

Figure on SEPTA and Atlas doing a SEPTA schene'ed version on a ML II model in HO to go along with the Bachmann HO ACS-64.
with the added value MSRP to cover the SEPTA license Fee. :wink:
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Re: First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby mcgrath618 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:37 am

Backshophoss wrote:Figure on SEPTA and Atlas doing a SEPTA schene'ed version on a ML II model in HO to go along with the Bachmann HO ACS-64.
with the added value MSRP to cover the SEPTA license Fee. :wink:

I would love this.
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Re: First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby MACTRAXX » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:12 pm

ChesterValley wrote:McGrath,

According to the project technical specifications proposal found here https://septa.org/business/bid/100k/detail/Multi%20Level%20Cab%20and%20Coach%20Rail%20Cars%20-%20RFP%20No%2015-00063%20-%20AJAC%20-%20Initial%20Release%20-%20File%203%20of%203%20-Technical%20Specifications.pdf on page 394, WiFi should be on the cars. They are also coming with bike racks according to page 209. Assuming these bi-level bricks don't have structural problems, I'm interested to see what the final product will look like.


CV and Everyone: The SEPTA car specs is 745 pages(!!!) and depending on how much room your
device has for something that large it may take time to download this document.

Yes - I agree that there is resemblance to a LIRR C3 in this new car - and the LIRR should watch
this car order remembering that they could use more cars knowing the current fleet is stretched
out to its limits - and short term lease equipment from MARC may not be available this year.

This is an interesting read and covers everything anyone may want to know about these proposed
cars. Unfortunately there is no added artist renderings as far as I know there...MACTRAXX
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Re: First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby JeffK » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:40 am

PhillyVoice has a CG rendering of a completed car.

The rendering's from CRRC so presumably it's reasonably close to what the final product will look like.
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Re: First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby mcgrath618 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:12 am

andrewjw wrote:
Backshophoss wrote:At first glance,they look like MBTA Rotem cab cars,with a twist of NJT's ML-II's built in.
Don't see any low platform door openings. :(

I suspect the cab end of the cab cars will not have low platform openings becuase they decrease the structural integrity around the engineer. So perhaps the far end of the car has them.

It seems that you were correct.
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Re: First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby zebrasepta » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:12 pm

Does anyone know what these railcars are gonna be named as?
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Re: First (?) images of double-deck body shells

Postby mtuandrew » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:09 pm

zebrasepta wrote:Does anyone know what these railcars are gonna be named as?

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