Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby JeffK » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:13 pm

EDM5970 wrote:... and Boeing tried their hand at trolley cars nearby.

Boeing's LRVs were definitely the outliers in that list of manufacturers. I forget the exact circumstances around how they got into the transit-vehicle business, but suffice it to say that their excellence in aerospace didn't translate to designing and building trolleys. The cars were trouble-plagued almost from day one and were pulled after barely a decade.
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby Head-end View » Wed Sep 14, 2016 7:52 pm

Boing's trolleys weren't well liked in Boston either apparently. Though I thought they were better looking vehicles than their stable-mates built by Kinki-Sharyo I believe. The Boeings are gone but the K/S's continue to soldier on there.
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby philipmartin » Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:25 am

SEPTA back in the dog house again. New defect found on some repaired cars. From Philly.com. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/in-t ... found.html
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby Limited-Clear » Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:56 am

They at least found the latest defect while keeping a close eye on them, not many cars affected, Septa says they are still on track to bring the cars back within the stated timeline (I read into that, that the Equalizers are still being made and an adjustment for the defective pins will be implemented as the new bars are fitted) that last statement is my own personal interpretation and shouldn't be taken as actual fact
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:21 pm

Maybe being a bit harsh, but SEPTA is Slowly Eliminating Public Transportation Altogether, or how about it's the Stupid Everyday Politicians Training Arena :( :P
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby Backshophoss » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:01 pm

Mr Norman,that 2nd "name" seems to be the right way to describe Septa! :wink:
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby ExCon90 » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:53 pm

Or could "Tinkering" be substituted for Training? Training implies learning, and they don't seem to be learning much.
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:39 am

Oh well, at least this fellow, with to say the least, a "diversified" career but with one common denominator - politics, been in Philly, safe assumption his "CV" would have included a stint at SEPTA:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forrest_Claypool
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby AlexC » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:33 am

Let's bring the discussion back to TECHNICAL topics. -alex
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby fishtruk » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:02 pm

They're basaack !
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby glennk419 » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:19 pm

Without kicking the beehive here, has anyone heard how the modified / redesigned equalizer bar shoe pins are working out? Has the clearance issue been fully resolved?
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby Broadway » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:47 pm

It's a temporary fix for now, forged equalizer beams are being made to replace all the beams including the fabricated beams in use now. As for the fix for the fix no word yet.
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby pumpers » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:24 pm

I had not heard that. So all the new plate beams (with the pins) are going to be swapped out for forged beams. What is the time frame?
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby bth8446 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:52 pm

I'm glad I saw this topic before posting. Glad I saw that info about the current 'fix' being temporary, and hope its accurate.
Because what I saw, I didn't like. I was riding car 822 home on Saturday night, when I noticed 2 things wrong (its the same issue,
just verifiable two different ways).
1) It just caught my eye. but it was noticeable. Looking and engineers cabin, the back wall of the engineers cabin seem like there was a noticeable
gap between the ceiling and the wall. at the outer edge where the engineers cabin meets the outside wall, it meets, but as the wall progresses
inwards towards the center, there is a gap. so things shifted around there. In addition:
2) this was me riding in the back of the train, so the engineer was not present. but the conductor was stowing goods there.
He swung the door, and started walking away. The door bounced back. Nothing unusual. perhaps he didn't push it hard enough to overcome
the latch. so he tried again. nope, didn't work. he had to apply pressure at the bottom of the door with his toe/foot to get it flush to close
When all this was going on, I noted that the top of the door met with the door jamb before the bottom. so when the top of the door was totally
inside the door enclosure area, the bottom still stuck out, until pressure was applied to force it in.

My conclusion, was that the body was warped, top to the left (from the rear facing position). nothing visually noticeable except those two items
I mentioned.

And I admit, I could be totally off, perhaps this one car was like this, always. Perhaps what I describe has nothing to do with the repairs and
proper alignment. I didn't have my laser accurate devices to determine what is 'level' and to see if all was congruent.

but, visually, and thru actions witnessed, at least this one car, seemed ever so slightly off.

And with a car expected to last many many years, just that little bit of 'off'ness associated with stresses in the body to maintain this 'off'ness,
I would think issues would arise in the future for this car, and others, if same issue exists elsewhere.

But if all is temporary, and the 'real' fix will be coming along, all is moot. but I'd hope someone WILL be there making sure that all that was square
and even before, remain square and even after the permanent fix is in place
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Postby glennk419 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:18 pm

The way things are going with these cars, the permanent "fix" may very well be the SLVI, hopefully built by Bombardier or Kawasaki.
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