SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby Suburban Station » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:31 pm

khecht wrote:...There might be a nice opportunity for a park and ride near 202 (not exactly sure where though)

the Nields St Station on the business end of the borough is the right place for this. Build Structured parking. It really should be viewed as a collector for westtown.

the other thing that has changed since the old days is the ucity stop which is now a major draw.
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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby NorthPennLimited » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:54 pm

If Trump's proposed "Skinny Budget" passes the house, and gains momentum in the Senate, it could be the death toll for expansion to Wawa.

That expansion project and (others proposed by SEPTA and DVRPC) receive half of the capital budget money from federal programs like TIGER and New Starts from DOT appropriations funding.

Without the federal money to cover half the capital costs, expansion projects are a pipe dream, which is ashame, because with ACT 89, SEPTA was poised to cover the other half of capital building projects with the new gasoline tax revenues collected in Harrisburg.

So that leaves me wondering, what happened to all the election campaign promises to spend a trillion dollars on infrastructure to make America great again?
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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby amtrakhogger » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:26 am

It's called the " bait and switch."
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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby bikentransit » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:20 am

Really, really pathetic that SEPTA cannot restore 1 station and 3 miles of existing in-service track, roll a train down it and pick people up.
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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby R3 Passenger » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:39 pm

Three things:

1. Last I heard, the track between Glen Riddle and Elwyn is excepted track. Meaning NO PASSENGERS. That is why we haven't seen a WCRR passenger excursion train to 30th Street in a while. Passenger service was abandoned in 1986 because the line needed maintenance. Minimal maintenance has been done in the past 30 years to the point that the entire railbed probably needs to be reconstructed, along with some bridges. Add to that installing or updating the signal system to PTC, and you have a very capital intensive process.

2. The planned Wawa station is a new structure. I know nothing about the old Wawa station, but it most likely does not meet the needs of the 2017 commuter.

3. The wires were taken down in 2006. I doubt the substations were maintained since 1986 also.

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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby ekt8750 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:14 pm

The roadbed has been rebuilt and new retaining walls installed where the line runs along Chester Creek. What needs to be done at this point is install the signal system, build the new layup yard at Lenni, rehang the catenary, and build the station and parking garage at Wawa. Not exactly roll a train, pick people up. They give a 4 year timeline starting in 2018 and given the to do list I just laid out, that's a pretty reasonable timeframe.
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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby bikentransit » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:36 pm

So it appears the gold plated answer isn't attainable. Maybe the layup yard and parking garage need to be shelved and build a modest station, hang wire, plant some PTC in the ground and they'll be good to go.

As far as reasonable timelines are concerned, SEPTA has been promising trains would be rolling in a few years for the past 18 years.
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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby SemperFidelis » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:45 pm

And they temporarily suspended trolley service on three lines (not local that number might be wrong) in 1992...
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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby ExCon90 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:44 pm

bikentransit wrote: Maybe the layup yard and parking garage need to be shelved and build a modest station, hang wire, plant some PTC in the ground and they'll be good to go.

Without the parking garage, would there be enough ridership to justify an extension?
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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby ekt8750 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:07 pm

Clearly not since this is supposed to be a drive up, park and ride type station. Also shelving the layup yard isn't too bright either with the fleet growing while the extension is being built. SEPTA is already hurting for storage space to store trains as it is and with extra and longer trains the Sprinters and multilevels are going to bring, that's going to be that much less space for SEPTA to store trains.
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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby silverliner266 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:49 pm

bikentransit wrote:So it appears the gold plated answer isn't attainable. Maybe the layup yard and parking garage need to be shelved and build a modest station, hang wire, plant some PTC in the ground and they'll be good to go.

As far as reasonable timelines are concerned, SEPTA has been promising trains would be rolling in a few years for the past 18 years.


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Because the wire, track, and PTC are fixed costs you're talking about spending a significant fraction of the existing budget while only getting a small fraction of the passengers. My napkin math says that the station and parking deck are at least 1/3 of the total project budget but it bumps the extensions passenger handling capacity a least %800 from 100 to 800+.
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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby mcgrath618 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:09 pm

As far as I can tell it's already started. If you go to the road near the Lenni station site you can see they've installed new catenary pylons. I think construction on the actual station itself starts but next year.
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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby Sotheast PA Railfan » Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:03 pm

Yes I was back there not that long ago and they have new pylons up and also they took the lights off the crossing signals on Lenni Rd. Question I have been wondering is and if ever will Amtrak run Ballast back to Glen Mills? I know it is MOW time of year and I just remembered Glen Mills used to get trains a couple of years ago.
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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby R36 Combine Coach » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:16 pm

If PA had a driven, focused Governor (read: Cuomo), quite some of these proposals mentioned could have been fulfilled or underway by now.
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Re: SEPTA plans feasibility study on West Chester

Postby CComMack » Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:30 pm

R36 Combine Coach wrote:If PA had a driven, focused Governor (read: Cuomo), quite some of these proposals mentioned could have been fulfilled or underway by now.


Cuomo? Let that cup pass from us. His main talent is putting out extensive press releases in which other people's work is credited to him. New York MTA is not in any better shape than SEPTA is. Tom Wolf is a great Governor, but the PA legislature is an awful place where good ideas go to die. Restoring Act 89 to its full funding power by preventing the State Police from raiding the money would be a good first step for funding worthy capital projects like West Chester.
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