Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby Bronxdynasty » Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:03 pm

Does anyone know if 664 will be running on Saturday? If so which line?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby jackintosh11 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:39 pm

bdawe wrote:I have to ask - why does SEPTA bother with push-pull service? Why not just run more EMUs? Having electric locomotives and unpowered coaches seems like an unnecessary complication

They were ordered when they retired the blueliners and Silverliner Is, probably just because they were cheaper and they only needed to run them at rush hour anyway, also long push pull trains are cheaper to run than longer EMU trains.
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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby glennk419 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:58 pm

jackintosh11 wrote:
bdawe wrote:I have to ask - why does SEPTA bother with push-pull service? Why not just run more EMUs? Having electric locomotives and unpowered coaches seems like an unnecessary complication

They were ordered when they retired the blueliners and Silverliner Is, probably just because they were cheaper and they only needed to run them at rush hour anyway, also long push pull trains are cheaper to run than longer EMU trains.


The other consideration is that MU's are considered locomotives and therefore subject to more frequent inspections than standard coaches.
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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby scotty269 » Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:51 am

WT line on Friday. Crossed Red Lion Rd at approx 1:45 heading towards WT. Back towards CC around 2:35.
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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby CNJGeep » Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:35 pm

jackintosh11 wrote:
bdawe wrote:I have to ask - why does SEPTA bother with push-pull service? Why not just run more EMUs? Having electric locomotives and unpowered coaches seems like an unnecessary complication

They were ordered when they retired the blueliners and Silverliner Is, probably just because they were cheaper and they only needed to run them at rush hour anyway, also long push pull trains are cheaper to run than longer EMU trains.

Also, don't forget that in the 1980s, there were rumblings that SEPTA would be taking over the Harrisburg service from Amtrak. There were plans for a Silverliner V, but it was easier, it was determined, to order "off the shelf" vehicles instead of issuing an RFP and what would surely be an expensive one-off. SEPTA was pretty broke at the time.
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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby zebrasepta » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:33 pm

CNJGeep wrote:
jackintosh11 wrote:
bdawe wrote:I have to ask - why does SEPTA bother with push-pull service? Why not just run more EMUs? Having electric locomotives and unpowered coaches seems like an unnecessary complication

They were ordered when they retired the blueliners and Silverliner Is, probably just because they were cheaper and they only needed to run them at rush hour anyway, also long push pull trains are cheaper to run than longer EMU trains.

Also, don't forget that in the 1980s, there were rumblings that SEPTA would be taking over the Harrisburg service from Amtrak. There were plans for a Silverliner V, but it was easier, it was determined, to order "off the shelf" vehicles instead of issuing an RFP and what would surely be an expensive one-off. SEPTA was pretty broke at the time.

SEPTA did make a RFP for the multilevels though, I guess Bombardier's multilevels were a bit too tall or was the problem something else?
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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby glennk419 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:50 pm

zebrasepta wrote:SEPTA did make a RFP for the multilevels though, I guess Bombardier's multilevels were a bit too tall or was the problem something else?


Hadn't heard that. You would think that if they fit into the Hudson tubes, they would certainly fit anywhere on SEPTA. Maybe they just RFP'd the bathrooms out. :wink:
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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby zebrasepta » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:33 pm

glennk419 wrote:
zebrasepta wrote:SEPTA did make a RFP for the multilevels though, I guess Bombardier's multilevels were a bit too tall or was the problem something else?


Hadn't heard that. You would think that if they fit into the Hudson tubes, they would certainly fit anywhere on SEPTA. Maybe they just RPF'd the bathrooms out. :wink:

The RFD technical specs sheet does state the minimum caternary hangs anywhere on SEPTA/AMTRAK territory is 15 feet
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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby rslitman » Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:44 pm

I saw the Amtrak locomotive trailing Bombardier cars outbound on the West Trenton line shortly before the line becomes single track before Yardley around 5:20-5:25 pm on Monday, March 14.
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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby glennk419 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:44 am

Is 664 still doing test runs? I heard what could have been it at Roslyn around 1:30 this morning followed closely by PNER L160 around 1:40. Whatever came through at 1:30 was playing on the horn pretty well. :wink:
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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby amtrakhogger » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:57 am

The 664 is back at Amtrak as of today.
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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby glennk419 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:02 pm

amtrakhogger wrote:The 664 is back at Amtrak as of today.


Thanks. Maybe they were squeezing in some last trials while it was still on the property.
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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby ExCon90 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:07 pm

Philadelphia Chapter NRHS, in the October issue of its newsletter Cinders, reports that 15 ACS-64s ordered by SEPTA are due to begin delivery in 2018, and are identical to those currently in service on Amtrak, except for one thing:

They will not have restrooms.
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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby mcgrath618 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:25 pm

ExCon90 wrote:Philadelphia Chapter NRHS, in the October issue of its newsletter Cinders, reports that 15 ACS-64s ordered by SEPTA are due to begin delivery in 2018, and are identical to those currently in service on Amtrak, except for one thing:

They will not have restrooms.

Looks like any hopes of SEPTA going into Maryland are nil
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Re: Amtrak ACS-64 664 on SEPTA

Postby ekt8750 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:08 am

mcgrath618 wrote:
ExCon90 wrote:Philadelphia Chapter NRHS, in the October issue of its newsletter Cinders, reports that 15 ACS-64s ordered by SEPTA are due to begin delivery in 2018, and are identical to those currently in service on Amtrak, except for one thing:

They will not have restrooms.

Looks like any hopes of SEPTA going into Maryland are nil


Why should they go to Maryland when MARC can come up to Newark?
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