SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby glennk419 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:42 am

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glennk419 wrote:I just read NJT's Fleet Strategy report. The current MDBF ( mean distance between failures ) for the BBD multilevels is greater than 450,000 miles. That's ACTUAL miles, not a target. Does anyone know what the projected target is for the "acceptable" CRRC cars?

That's pretty hard to determine as they have not built a FRA standard railcar as of yet


I would think there would be a target in the specs.
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby mcgrath618 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:19 am

Do we know what these'll look like yet?
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby ekt8750 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:54 am

mcgrath618 wrote:Do we know what these'll look like yet?


Found this on SEPTA's website:

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Looks nice. Hope it isn't a lemon.
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby glennk419 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:41 pm

ekt8750 wrote:
mcgrath618 wrote:Do we know what these'll look like yet?


Found this on SEPTA's website:

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Looks nice. Hope it isn't a lemon.


They appear to be full cab with exit door opposite the engineer position. Window and door arrangements are very similar to the BBD cars.
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby ekt8750 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:52 pm

glennk419 wrote:
ekt8750 wrote:
mcgrath618 wrote:Do we know what these'll look like yet?


Found this on SEPTA's website:

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Looks nice. Hope it isn't a lemon.


They appear to be full cab with exit door opposite the engineer position. Window and door arrangements are very similar to the BBD cars.


I just noticed only one set of doors is low level. I guess they don't plan to have these stop at many low level platform stops.
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby glennk419 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:56 pm

There are no doors at the engineer position, cab cars will have one high level door in the cab and two low level doors opposite the cab end, trailers will have traps at all four corners.
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby mcgrath618 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:34 pm

I think the front is a bit iffy looking but I like what the sides look like, and how they're modeled after the SLVs.
If these turn out alright I won't be too disappointed but they shouldn't say we didn't warn them
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby Backshophoss » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:23 pm

Lets hope that design clears the Center City Tunnel. :wink:
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby NorthPennLimited » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:21 pm

It has one illegal grab iron on the front, obstructing the MU jumper cables, but no side stirrups and 6 inch vertical or horizontal grab irons on the sides. And that side view mirror is destined to hit something in the tunnel.

Where is the horn?

I do like the fact they come with baffles surrounding the F end bulkhead door. That's Something lacking in the rest of the fleet. Those baffles should keep the rain and snow out of the vestibules in foul weather and reduce the risk of people slipping and falling in vestibules.

Are the jumper cable positions the same as the AEM-7 fleet arrangement? On these Chinese cars, the HEP cables are laid out vertically, which doesn't appear to be normal.

It's good to see illuminated side number boards. But what's up with the rectangle marker lights and tiny headlights?
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby Silverliner II » Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:56 pm

NorthPennLimited wrote:It has one illegal grab iron on the front, obstructing the MU jumper cables, but no side stirrups and 6 inch vertical or horizontal grab irons on the sides. And that side view mirror is destined to hit something in the tunnel.

Where is the horn?

I do like the fact they come with baffles surrounding the F end bulkhead door. That's Something lacking in the rest of the fleet. Those baffles should keep the rain and snow out of the vestibules in foul weather and reduce the risk of people slipping and falling in vestibules.

Are the jumper cable positions the same as the AEM-7 fleet arrangement? On these Chinese cars, the HEP cables are laid out vertically, which doesn't appear to be normal.

It's good to see illuminated side number boards. But what's up with the rectangle marker lights and tiny headlights?


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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby Limited-Clear » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:20 pm

The horn would be behind that grill above the bulkhead door
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby glennk419 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:29 am

Limited-Clear wrote:The horn would be behind that grill above the bulkhead door


...which will immediately clog with anything but the lightest snow.
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby Limited-Clear » Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:37 am

No different to the current way where the horns are out in the open and have either a cloth dust cover or a metal debris filter over them
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby mcgrath618 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:11 am

Honestly, if they're considering a return to Bethlehem/Quakertown, it may make sense to save the Comets and use them with diesels. It'd save them a lot of money, and most of the cars have been rehashed.
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby ekt8750 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:30 am

mcgrath618 wrote:Honestly, if they're considering a return to Bethlehem/Quakertown, it may make sense to save the Comets and use them with diesels. It'd save them a lot of money, and most of the cars have been rehashed.


The current coaches aren't going anywhere.
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