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SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby Patrick Boylan » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:59 pm

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/t ... EPTA_.html

SEPTA is in the early stages of considering
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about 36 bi-level coaches

pipe dream or dim possibility? time will tell.
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby morris&essex4ever » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:01 pm

I wonder who they will purchase ML's from if that's their plan. Will it be Bombardier, Hyundai, or someone else?
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby Quinn » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:41 pm

I think LEGO might be the way to go. Lightweight, solid construction, easy to clean and no problems reconfiguring them. :P

(And heritage color schemes when you want 'em!)
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby R3 Passenger » Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:20 pm

Patrick Boylan wrote:http://www.philly.com/philly/business/transportation/Double-decker_train_cars_for_SEPTA_.html

SEPTA is in the early stages of considering
...
about 36 bi-level coaches

pipe dream or dim possibility? time will tell.


Fair use quote?

Christine Fisher, PlanPhilly wrote:In an attempt to increase passenger capacity, SEPTA is in the early stages of considering bi-level coaches. With an upstairs and a downstairs, these coaches could transport anywhere from 120 to 170 passengers. Most important to SEPTA, they would provide an efficient remedy to booming regional rail ridership. Silverliner Vs can seat 109 passengers.


Anyway, show me a set of two or three NJT Multilevels parked in either Powelton or Penn Coach Yards, and I will believe it.

Also, after standing in the cold at Holmesburg Junction for an hour and 15 minutes after Train 9745 broke down last night, new locomotives should come first. Just sayin'.
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby SEPTA2461 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:04 pm

How will they run 12 trains with 36 coaches?
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby Clearfield » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:19 pm

R3 Passenger wrote:Also, after standing in the cold at Holmesburg Junction for an hour and 15 minutes after Train 9745 broke down last night, new locomotives should come first. Just sayin'.


Did the bathrooms work without the power on??
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby SEPTA2461 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:30 pm

Clearfield wrote:
R3 Passenger wrote:Also, after standing in the cold at Holmesburg Junction for an hour and 15 minutes after Train 9745 broke down last night, new locomotives should come first. Just sayin'.


Did the bathrooms work without the power on??


They don't have bathrooms.
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby R3 Passenger » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:45 pm

Clearfield wrote:
R3 Passenger wrote:Also, after standing in the cold at Holmesburg Junction for an hour and 15 minutes after Train 9745 broke down last night, new locomotives should come first. Just sayin'.


Did the bathrooms work without the power on??

Yes, the shelter was operational, but I didn't want to risk frostbite in a place that I don't want it.
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby dowlingm » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:50 pm

Can SEPTA afford new coaches and new locos at once? I don't think NJT's ALP44s have rusted out yet...
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby sammy2009 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:22 pm

It's about time. Single cars can no longer cut it. Esp after last week and these recent snow storms. But quick question , how would SEPTA pay for this ? Is it over time, one lump sum ? I never really understood how purchases for new vehicles go.
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby MikeBPRR » Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:16 pm

I thought one reason that SEPTA stuck to MUs was because push-pulls don't accelerate well when stations are close together. Would the MLs only be run in lieu of the Bombers, or would they also take the place of some current MU express sets?
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby glennk419 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:56 pm

MikeBPRR wrote:I thought one reason that SEPTA stuck to MUs was because push-pulls don't accelerate well when stations are close together. Would the MLs only be run in lieu of the Bombers, or would they also take the place of some current MU express sets?


Chicago has multi-level MU's on the South Shore line but I'm not sure that they have the same vertical clearance issues we have here. Something similar to the NJT Bombardier ML's would work as they have the clearance to fit through the Hudson tubes but would obviously need to be loco hauled.

On the subject of locos, isn't Septa looking to possibly tack onto the Amtrak ACS64 order?
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby Suburban Station » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:27 pm

MikeBPRR wrote:I thought one reason that SEPTA stuck to MUs was because push-pulls don't accelerate well when stations are close together. Would the MLs only be run in lieu of the Bombers, or would they also take the place of some current MU express sets?

I suspect they intend to use them on the longer haul express services (and that they intend to run more of those) while dedicating the mu's the high frequency stop locals
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby Clearfield » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:51 pm

Push-Pull Bi-Level sets can carry more passengers per car allowing more cars in a train moving more people and still be able to platform all cars at stations without having passengers walk to the nearest car that did platform.

If the Sprinters have better acceleration than the AEM's or the ALP it MIGHT be practical for operations other than expresses. Otherwise, they'll sit around all day waiting for their two rush hour runs.

Now if we can make the upper level the Quiet Ride Floor...............
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Re: SEPTA might get multi-level railroad coaches

Postby Patrick Boylan » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:37 am

glennk419 please don't forget Chicago's multi-level MU's on the South Shore line, and METRA Electric former Illinois Central, are DC, SEPTA and the rest of the northeast US electrified railroad is AC. I don't know why, but apparently AC current doesn't seem to fit well into a multi-level MU, at least nobody I know of has done it in North America.
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