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Historical P&W / BVTA

Postby JeffK » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:58 pm

JimBoylan wrote:The old freight motor 401 and the last of those old passenger cars 46, which could also be used as a locomotive, are in the Electric City Trolley Museum and Station in Scranton, Pa


46 on Penn's Landing: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/PennsLanding.jpg/450px-PennsLanding.jpg
401 at 69th St. (in 1978, according to the title) http://www.ectma.org/401html.html
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Re: Empty Space around Millbourne Station

Postby mcgrath618 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:45 pm

JeffK wrote:
JimBoylan wrote:The old freight motor 401 and the last of those old passenger cars 46, which could also be used as a locomotive, are in the Electric City Trolley Museum and Station in Scranton, Pa


46 on Penn's Landing: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/PennsLanding.jpg/450px-PennsLanding.jpg
401 at 69th St. (in 1978, according to the title) http://www.ectma.org/401html.html

We're straying a bit here, but why was 46 anywhere near Penn's Landing? I didn't think P&W had trackage over there.
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Re: Empty Space around Millbourne Station

Postby mm670 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:27 pm

mcgrath618 wrote:
JeffK wrote:
JimBoylan wrote:The old freight motor 401 and the last of those old passenger cars 46, which could also be used as a locomotive, are in the Electric City Trolley Museum and Station in Scranton, Pa


46 on Penn's Landing: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/PennsLanding.jpg/450px-PennsLanding.jpg
401 at 69th St. (in 1978, according to the title) http://www.ectma.org/401html.html

We're straying a bit here, but why was 46 anywhere near Penn's Landing? I didn't think P&W had trackage over there.


From 1982 to 1996, the Buckingham Valley Trolley Association operated the Penn’s Landing trolley on the “Philadelphia Belt Line Railroad” on Columbus Boulevard from the Ben Franklin Bridge to Fitzwater Street. See http://planphilly.com/articles/2009/11/24/trolley from November 24, 2009. Also see viewtopic.php?f=72&t=164394 from January 4, 2017.
Still photos at https://philadelphiaareatraction.com/pe ... land_e.jpg (Car 26, 46 and 80) posted on Philadelphia Area Traction.
More photos at http://www.trainweb.org/phillynrhs/RPOTW030601.html (Car 76 and 80) posted June 2003 on the Philadelphia Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society.
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YouTube video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huLUCYkk2S0 (Car 26-Hog Island car and 80) posted September 17, 2013.
YouTube video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbDOpu9F7IU (Car 76 and 80) posted May 21, 2011.
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Re: Empty Space around Millbourne Station

Postby JeffK » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:23 pm

At the risk of going farther OT (Alex, slap my hand if appropriate :) ), a few more factoids: The Belt Line was standard gauge so BVT had to swap out the PA-gauge trucks on the Red Arrow cars. #80 gained a bit of additional fame from a supporting role in a TV commercial. The car was sprayed top to bottom with a sky-blue coating and glided past in the background. Unfortunately I can't find a video but I remember it somewhat resembled a phantom.

I'm not sure what the coating was except that this was before wraps become widespread. Several months later I made my own fan-day at the BVT and found a few blue remnants caught in places like window channels, etc.
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Re: Historical P&W / BVTA

Postby JeffK » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:13 pm

Alex - thanks for splitting these comments into their own thread.
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Re: Empty Space around Millbourne Station

Postby BuddCar711 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:29 am

JeffK wrote:At the risk of going farther OT (Alex, slap my hand if appropriate :) ), a few more factoids: The Belt Line was standard gauge so BVT had to swap out the PA-gauge trucks on the Red Arrow cars. #80 gained a bit of additional fame from a supporting role in a TV commercial. The car was sprayed top to bottom with a sky-blue coating and glided past in the background. Unfortunately I can't find a video but I remember it somewhat resembled a phantom.

I'm not sure what the coating was except that this was before wraps become widespread. Several months later I made my own fan-day at the BVT and found a few blue remnants caught in places like window channels, etc.


Is this it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkWs0klk2UU
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Re: Historical P&W / BVTA

Postby ExCon90 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:30 pm

That's it -- at 0:07. Imagine anybody going to that expense for a few seconds of a commercial. I assume BVT got a complete repaint job as part of the deal.
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Re: Historical P&W / BVTA

Postby JeffK » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:09 pm

BuddCar711 wrote:Is this it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkWs0klk2UU

YES! Thank you for finding it!

My (very rusty) memory is that there may have been a second ad that offered a longer clip of #80, but my search of 1980s-vintage Hyundai commercials came up empty.
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Re: Empty Space around Millbourne Station

Postby BuddCar711 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:47 pm

JeffK wrote:My (very rusty) memory is that there may have been a second ad that offered a longer clip of #80, but my search of 1980s-vintage Hyundai commercials came up empty.


BTW, did you noticed the SL-IV at the beginning of the commercial?
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Re: Historical P&W / BVTA

Postby JeffK » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:31 pm

BuddCar711 wrote:BTW, did you noticed the SL-IV at the beginning of the commercial?

Definitely. I wonder if the commercial was shown outside of the Philly area and if so, how many people recognized the SEPTA logo.

Before we go OT again, there's a lot more at an earlier thread:
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Re: Historical P&W / BVTA

Postby MACTRAXX » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:37 am

JeffK wrote:
BuddCar711 wrote:BTW, did you noticed the SL-IV at the beginning of the commercial?

Definitely. I wonder if the commercial was shown outside of the Philly area and if so, how many people recognized the SEPTA logo.

Before we go OT again, there's a lot more at an earlier thread:

Jeff:

1-Yes-this Hyundai commercial was shown outside Philadelphia. New York TV stations showed this
very same advertisement with the SEPTA RRD train - that paralleling roadway was along the West
Trenton Line(?). The transit bus shown in the commercial I recognize to be a Gillig Phantom (with
unfamiliar color scheme-definitely not SEPTA) and the speaking voice was the late Fred Gwynne.
Fred Gwynne was a character actor most remembered for playing Herman Munster in the 60s TV
show "The Munsters"; Officer Muldoon in "Car 54" and the southern judge in the 1992 movie "My
Cousin Vinnie" who would also do voice work - the Hyundai commercial was a good example.

I have a 1985 memory concerning Hyundai vehicles I will add to this: Back in September 1985 I
spent most of that month traveling by train in Ontario and Quebec, Canada with the bulk of that
riding on a 14 day Via Rail Canada Corridor Pass. In those travels I was noticing a vehicle name
that I have not seen previously which was Hyundai...I later did find that Hyundai cars were sold
in Canada before they entered the US market and thanks to another commercial during that
same time period Hyundai was indeed the top-selling import car in Canada when they were
first sold in the US back in the Fall of 1985 for the 1986 model year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Motor_Company

Back to topic: I never realized the older trolley vehicle in that same commercial was from BVTA
and was repainted specifically to be used in this commercial. They probably used a temporary
water-based paint that could be easily removed with a thorough cleaning to not damage the
historic color scheme underneath. Today something like this would be of a removable "wrap".

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Re: Historical P&W / BVTA

Postby JimBoylan » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:44 am

The blue paint was a removable flexible maybe rubber based paint that didn't stick well to other paint and could be peeled off in large sheets. Unfortunately, it did stick to bare metal and get caught in cracks. Next time, Penn's landing wanted a repaint afterwards.

Red Arrow car 80 ran on standard gauge rapid transit trucks from Shaker Heights Rapid Transit 27, which had been Cleveland Rwys. 1227. The body went to the Seashore Trolley Museum in Kennebunkport, Me., where it has been restored to original condition on streetcar trucks.
Red Arrow 26 ran on standard gauge trucks from an old Boston Elevated Rwy. streetcar.
The other equipment that ran on Delaware Ave. was already standard gauge.
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