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Re: The Atlantic City Line Thread

Postby ryanov » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:34 pm

liftedjeep wrote:
ryanov wrote:
As for the outrage at NJT, South Jersey's BS is a lot of the reason we're in this mess. Elect Christie, don't want to pay taxes, etc... eventually you get a non-functioning railroad. South Jersey also is so poorly developed -- housing developments in former cornfields all over the place -- that it's hard to properly serve with mass transit, so there isn't as much and people don't use what's there because it's not convenient.

I'm guessing you're not from South Jersey due to your idiotic post!

First and foremost, NJ Transit is the reason "we're in this mess", not South Jersey. South Jersey once hosted over two dozen short lines and railroads before they were gobbled up and consolidated by the PRR, and eventually turning into the PRSL, which was one of the most successful railroads in the state of New Jersey.

No, I'm not from South Jersey, but have plenty of experience visiting, because of family who have moved down there and a relationship I had in college with someone who went to Rowan. NJT has to work with the money it is provided, and never operated the PRSL. How is NJTransit to blame for the fact that the PRSL no longer runs? How much support for increased mass transit is there in South Jersey? From what I can see, the Republican representatives elected in most parts down there think mass transit is for communists. I am not the one voting for these people. And yes, that does not describe ALL of South Jersey -- there are urban areas.

liftedjeep wrote:Of all the municipalities in New Jersey to hold the label of City, Vineland is the largest in total area. Last time I checked, Vineland was located in South Jersey. And my "poorly developed housing development" in my beautiful Southern New Jersey town where I currently reside, is/was nowhere near a cornfield!!

Largest city in total land area is not a positive metric for mass transit service; surely you realize that larger/less dense make it more difficult to serve via mass transit. Vineland does have a variety of bus service. I've ridden many of those buses between Philadelphia and Glassboro. There are some towns that are walkable, generally ribbons of the area along former railroad lines, or along the AC Line. But there are just as many "towns" down there along "Something-Hyphen-Something" road with low density housing on big former cornfields. Even along the Atlantic City, we're not talking about arriving into a downtown at basically any stop.

lifted jeep wrote:Do your homework next time you post, and wherever you are from, do us all a favor here in South Jersey, and stay there!!!

I've done my homework and am quite happy up here. I would personally benefit from increased mass transit in NJ, and perhaps the political changes that have occurred down there in the past couple of election cycles will change the landscape there.

The long and short of it is that densely populated areas have mass transit: ... on_Map.png

I honestly don't know if the majority of people live in densely populated parts of south Jersey or in "unincorporated areas," but this certainly makes it seem like the North is a lot more densely populated (with the exception of the west). ... Population
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Re: The Atlantic City Line Thread

Postby R&DB » Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:48 am

ryanov » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:34 pm

Population of Atlantic + Camden + Burlington Counties = 1,229,223 (2017). The first map you referenced quite clear about this. Think they derserve some mass transit.

The predominate political bent in all three counties is Democrat. (ask Steve Sweeney) The only Republican majority area is now NJ Congessional District 4 which encompasses parts of Monmouth, Mercer and Ocean Counties.

Atlantic City RR (controlled by Reading RR), Camden and Atlantic RR (PRR) and West Jersey RR (PRR) merged in 1933 to become PRSL.
PRSL included in Conrail 1975 along with all the other defunct Northeast railroads.
NJT took over passenger operation of the ex-PRSL Conrail lines 1980.
Amtrak also operated with NJT after the advent of casino gambling in AC.
Amtrak pulled out around 1990.
The three original lines date to the 1850s to 1870s although only the Camden & Atlantic route is used by NJT. The ACRR route is used by Conrail Shared Assets (freight) from Camden to Winslow Junction.

Yes there are rural areas of South Jersey, but the majority of the people served by the NJT AC line are in the more populated areas and the suburbs.

North Jersey has major rural areas west of the Watchung Mountains with a sprinkling of larger towns. (ie: Morristown, Denville, etc.) Where should we cut off the ex-Lackawanna line, Summit? NJT goes NYP to Trenton through some areas that are not urban between New Brunswick and Trenton. Should we cancel that service? How about the Raritan Valley line west of Somerville? Galdstone Branch? Boonton Line?
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Re: The Atlantic City Line Thread

Postby glennk419 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:57 pm

NJ Transit has announced service suspensions due to the impending snow:

AC Rail Line suspended Monday, March 4

Oh wait. :P
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