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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby JohnFromJersey » Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:06 pm

kilroy wrote:A shuttle isn't worth the expense. No one wants to change trains, possible multiple times if you need to take a subway or two in NYC.

Until the new Gateway tunnels are built and operational AND the current tunnels rehabilitated, no point is doing anything with MOM or several other NJT rail revivals. Without additional capacity into NYC (and storage as well), everything is a non-starter.

I know not everyone goes to NYC but a vast majority do and nothing will generate the passenger counts needed if it doesn't make getting to NYC easier and/or more economical.


The only thing I can see happening regarding the MOM line is maybe reconnect the Southern Secondary down to Winslow Junction; you could perhaps take a few freight trains (and some passenger trains) off the NEC and use the Southern Secondary as an overflow line.

The ROW of still exists, it's just a matter of getting the NIMBY's (if any, below Woodmansie, it's just the Pine Barrens) to back off.
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby JohnFromJersey » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:09 pm

Anything new?
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby time » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:23 am

I doubt we'll see any mention of this project until after the Gateway project is on track for delivery. Not because of the capacity issues, since you could have transfers in Newark and/or go to Hoboken, but because NJT's focus is on NYC capacity and reliability issues and they won't ask for additional major capital expenditures until that Gateway project is on track.
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby R&DB » Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:41 am

Any chance of THE tunnel going forward with Trumps infrastucture plans?
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby amtrakowitz » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:24 pm

R&DB wrote:Any chance of THE tunnel going forward with Trumps infrastucture plans?

No, and what does that have to do with this project?
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby OportRailfan » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:32 am

R&DB wrote:Any chance of THE tunnel going forward with Trumps infrastucture plans?


No.
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby E-44 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:32 pm

One of the line's staunchest opponents, the former mayor of South Brunswick, has passed on. He was outspoken in his opposition to the line. Here's a sample.

“If South Brunswick did a study, we’d have a totally different answer than what is coming out, because we’d hire the people we want to say what we want.”
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby R&DB » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:32 pm

amtrakowitz wrote:
R&DB wrote:Any chance of THE tunnel going forward with Trumps infrastucture plans?

No, and what does that have to do with this project?


Because without extra capacity into NYC, there will be no MOM. Plus any new tunnel project will require LOTS of concrete which requires LOTS of sand. That sand is readily available from Claytons Woodmansie facility. To get the sand to North Jersey the Conrail Southern Secondary will need to be rebuilt. It currently has a 10MPH speed limitation on the weekly freight train to Lakewood due to track conditions. Repair it and you have a good portion of the MOM constructed. Whiting to Farmingdale and Farmingdale to Red Bank if that route is taken.
Clayton is currently upgrading the portion from Woodmansie to Lakehurst. NJT / Conrail Shared Assets are responsible for the rest.

That's what it has to do with MOM.
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby ApproachMedium » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:50 pm

They need lots of sand for all of the new construction at hudson yards. The lack of woodmansie is not stopping them.

I believe it was mentioned more than once in here a way way way back that the woodmansie sand would not be good for that project anyhow.
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby mtuandrew » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:43 pm

Even if Woodmansie sand was the only option, why does it matter what speed the line runs? Sand doesn't care how long it takes to get from Point A to Point B, or what FRA track class it travels over.
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby lensovet » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:45 am

mtuandrew wrote:Even if Woodmansie sand was the only option, why does it matter what speed the line runs? Sand doesn't care how long it takes to get from Point A to Point B, or what FRA track class it travels over.

unless it's so slow that it holds up construction i guess?
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby EuroStar » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:59 am

lensovet wrote:unless it's so slow that it holds up construction i guess?

How could that even happen? Even with 5 mph speeds they can still move one consist a day. How many cars would that be? 20? 30? That amount of sand translates into a much larger amount of concrete -- depending on the concrete type you need to add about as much rock/gravel aggregate and then on top of that the cement. So we are talking about the equivalent of 40-60 cars of concrete. There is no way they could pour that much concrete per day at the Hudson Yards project even if it was 10 city blocks, and it is only about one (the area they are working at the same time).
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby R&DB » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:22 am

mtuandrew wrote:Even if Woodmansie sand was the only option, why does it matter what speed the line runs? Sand doesn't care how long it takes to get from Point A to Point B, or what FRA track class it travels over.


It's not a question of speed for the sand, but of safety. Witnessing the rails rising and falling 6-8" with each passing truck is like waiting for the derail to happen.
The sand trains (and other freight) and MOM are not mutually exclusive. They both benefit, and for MOM to become a reality the track condition must be addressed.

Not arguing, just observing.
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby mtuandrew » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:05 am

R&DB wrote:The sand trains (and other freight) and MOM are not mutually exclusive. They both benefit, and for MOM to become a reality the track condition must be addressed.

Not arguing, just observing.

100% there with you, and we as railfans can tell that the Conrail/NJT ex-CNJ Southern Secondary is an obvious choice for passenger service, but there's next to no freight opportunity on the line aside from earth and forest products that need FRA Class 1 track at best. The more time-sensitive farm goods and small-factory products produced in mid-south Jersey go by truck, Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst doesn't have as many shipments by rail as in the past, and the infrastructure isn't really there right now for a large shipper to set up shop between Lakehurst and either Toms River or Winslow Jct. I'd love to be proven wrong!
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Re: MOM Rail Service

Postby R&DB » Sat Jul 22, 2017 4:49 pm

mtuandrew,
The only outgoing freight right now is scrap metal. But incoming is ethanol, bricks and lumber. Usually 10-18 loads / week.
Granted this is not significant traffic, but growing. The question is not freight, but creating a suitable infrastructure for passenger traffic. (MOM)
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