NJ Transit "national disgrace"

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Re: NJ Transit "national disgrace"

Postby time » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:13 pm

Flushing the toilet is a good first step to getting NJT cleaned up. But, what the system really needs is significant, stable funding. That's Phil Murphy's job, so he should be judged by his ability to secure funding, not firing a few political hacks. Everything else follows adequate funding: fair wages, state of good repair, better customer service through technology enhancements and capital improvements. What's that price tag ... $80 billion?
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Re: NJ Transit "national disgrace"

Postby EuroStar » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:40 am

So, our problem is a familiar one -- NJ Transit (like many others) cannot figure out the software as per https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-23/nj-transit-s-engines-parked-as-train-control-software-won-t-work. A brief quote:
About 8 percent of engines and other power equipment on the nation’s second-biggest commuter railroad have been outfitted since late last year with so-called positive train control. They were expected to return to service after about a week of software tests, but none have. Instead, technicians have been struggling to make the new electronics work with old systems, according to two people who asked not to be identified because they weren’t authorized to discuss operations.
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Re: NJ Transit "national disgrace"

Postby time » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:29 am

But, the article makes it seem like NJT is far behind the other passenger rail networks. NJT isn't exclusive in it's mix of equipment, right? As far as cab cars are concerned, it's just Comet 4, Comet 5, MultiLevel? I believe all Comet 1, 2, 3 cabs are retired, and the Arrows are technically considered locomotives. Engines / locos are certainly more diverse. But it sounds like NJT chose to outfit the cab cars first, and a small selection of engines, and the article makes it seem like the cabs are where they have the most trouble.

How is NJT different from the other networks?
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Re: NJ Transit "national disgrace"

Postby blockline4180 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:45 am

We regardless, if only 8% of the fleet is done and out of those 8% some of the cars still dont have PTC working properly then how in the world will they get the other 90% or so done by December??? A miracle would have to happen.
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Re: NJ Transit "national disgrace"

Postby ALP45DP 4515 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:46 pm

Inspectors Scrutinize NJ Transit’s Bad Brakes, Bare Wires, Rotten Parts
By Elise Young | February 21, 2018

Federal inspectors found scores of New Jersey Transit train cars riddled with fire risks, faulty brakes and electrical hazards as they scrutinized the troubled railroad that brings 95,000 workers to Manhattan daily.

One engine was so defective it was declared unsafe, documents obtained under New Jersey’s Open Public Records Act show. In some cases, NJ Transit’s own checks failed to identify faults brought to light a day or two later by Federal Railroad Administration officials. One was a locomotive with seized air valves and misaligned foundation gear that compromised the braking system’s very core. Another had broken equipment that provides traction on slippery tracks.



https://www.claimsjournal.com/news/east ... 283203.htm

I wonder which locomotive was declared unsafe? NJ Transit has a long way to go recovery wise.
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Re: NJ Transit "national disgrace"

Postby JamesRR » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:34 pm

The article mentioned locomotive 6044, which I believe is a cab car.
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Re: NJ Transit "national disgrace"

Postby chuchubob » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:50 pm

Correct: 6044 is a Comet V cab car.
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Re: NJ Transit "national disgrace"

Postby ALP45DP 4515 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:02 pm

chuchubob wrote:Correct: 6044 is a Comet V cab car.

Thats why I was bit confused. IIRC the FRA classifies cab cars as locomotives regarding inspections, but I wasn't sure if that applied in this case.
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Re: NJ Transit "national disgrace"

Postby EuroStar » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:13 pm

I guess the reporter got lost in the difference between a locomotive and a cab car, but still declaring the cab unsafe for operation is quite a something if the car was actually about to be used on a revenue run. Failing to fully apply brakes in Hoboken, when that is required is also bad. Missing exit signs do seem like minor violations, but missing clips on the wheels seem more serious. Hopefully things get better from here, but the reality is that what is needed is $$$$. Unless the new governor finds the money, things will not improve meaningfully.
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Re: NJ Transit "national disgrace"

Postby GandyDancer1 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:39 am

EuroStar wrote:While familiarity with railroading is a plus, it is not necessary for top manger. As long as that business degree person knows how to find, hire and promote people with the right railroad knowledge, they will do fine. The current situation is due primarily to hiring and promotions being decided in Trenton by connections as opposed to by the people running the railroad and by merit.

We will wait and see, but I hope that those of upper management who did not deserve to be at NJT in first place get shown the door quickly. It is hard to imagine the replacements being worse.


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Re: NJ Transit "national disgrace"

Postby ExCon90 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:07 pm

The problem for someone outside the industry is "know[ing] how to find, hire and promote people with the right railroad knowledge." What are the chances of someone from outside telling the difference between the knowledgeable people and the silver-tongued BSers?
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