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Moynihan station

Postby TDowling » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:19 pm

Since NJ transit will not be using the Moynihan station , will plans materialize for the eventual takeover by njt of the entire basement corridor underneath msg?
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Re: Moynihan station

Postby SecaucusJunction » Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:55 am

That would probably require NJT to spend money and they don't want to do that. They'd probably rather have the whole area sit empty.
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Re: Moynihan station

Postby JamesRR » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:36 pm

TDowling wrote:Since NJ transit will not be using the Moynihan station , will plans materialize for the eventual takeover by njt of the entire basement corridor underneath msg?


No, the LIRR will continue to have a significant presence there, if not the same footprint they have now. There are plans to widen/modernize/open up the existing corridors. Amtrak will also continue to have a presence there, too.
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Re: Moynihan station

Postby EuroStar » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:29 am

LIRR cannot move out of the existing station -- the new Moynihan hall will not have the capacity to handle all LIRR commuters. In theory Amtrak could move completely to Moynihan, but I doubt it. It is unlikely that the real estate developers will be willing to cede sufficient space in the Moynihan hall for all of Amtrak's crew and support spaces. Eventually, maybe next century (sorry, can't resist the sarcasm) NJT will extend the central corridor to the low numbered tracks providing a couple of more exit points per platform. Other than that, I am not aware of any improvements (including expansion) of the NJT spaces at Penn Station that are being discussed or looked at actively for the next 20-25 years.
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Re: Moynihan station

Postby JamesRR » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:01 am

The only thing I could see changing the layout at Penn is Gateway and the addition of the 7 tracks of Penn South. These will require connection to existing concourses, at which time perhaps some alterations will be made to the current concourses.
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Re: Moynihan station

Postby SecaucusJunction » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:19 am

If you are an NJT rider, you will be able to wait in Moynihan station for your train. If you are unlucky and your train departs from tracks 1-4, you will still easily be able to get from Moynihan, through the new corridor, to the lower numbered tracks before the train leaves.

The NJT section is actually the nicest section of the old Penn Station, it just needs to be expanded. Moynihan should help.
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Re: Moynihan station

Postby JamesRR » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:57 pm

SecaucusJunction wrote:If you are an NJT rider, you will be able to wait in Moynihan station for your train. If you are unlucky and your train departs from tracks 1-4, you will still easily be able to get from Moynihan, through the new corridor, to the lower numbered tracks before the train leaves.


You'd possibly have to either go down track 5 and then up in one of the older concourses and back down, though, as the new corridor has no access to Tracks 1-4.
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Re: Moynihan station

Postby SecaucusJunction » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:14 pm

You'd walk through the new corridor to the older station and board there.
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Re: Moynihan station

Postby N91566 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:20 pm

Will the name "Pennsylvania Station" or "Penn Station" remain or cease to exist?
I would guess that most folks today using the station if asked, have no idea why it is called Penn Station.
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Re: Moynihan station

Postby time » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:10 pm

EuroStar wrote:LIRR cannot move out of the existing station -- the new Moynihan hall will not have the capacity to handle all LIRR commuters. In theory Amtrak could move completely to Moynihan, but I doubt it. It is unlikely that the real estate developers will be willing to cede sufficient space in the Moynihan hall for all of Amtrak's crew and support spaces. Eventually, maybe next century (sorry, can't resist the sarcasm) NJT will extend the central corridor to the low numbered tracks providing a couple of more exit points per platform. Other than that, I am not aware of any improvements (including expansion) of the NJT spaces at Penn Station that are being discussed or looked at actively for the next 20-25 years.


There was the proposal to relocate MSG, utilize it's frame for a glass shell and then open up the entire rats den to sunlight and high ceilings. That would require relocating MSG first. I have yet to see a proposal for the relocation of MSG that would be palatable to the owners. It's a killer location - and location is everything.
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Re: Moynihan station

Postby EuroStar » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:11 am

time wrote:There was the proposal to relocate MSG, utilize it's frame for a glass shell and then open up the entire rats den to sunlight and high ceilings. That would require relocating MSG first. I have yet to see a proposal for the relocation of MSG that would be palatable to the owners. It's a killer location - and location is everything.


Yes, there have been many proposals and that was one of them. The most realistic one in terms of cost was to remove the theater under MSG while leaving MSG itself in place. Even that was so expensive that Cuomo shelved it without much consideration. The only thing NJT related that is being worked on (conceptual planning and design) is the extension of the Central Corridor. I believe the LIRR is supposed to get some sort of update to its waiting areas too as part of Cuomo's updates to Penn Station, but the extent and the details of those are beyond my current knowledge and paygrade.
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Re: Moynihan station

Postby JeffersonLeeEng » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:33 am

N91566 wrote:Will the name "Pennsylvania Station" or "Penn Station" remain or cease to exist?
I would guess that most folks today using the station if asked, have no idea why it is called Penn Station.


Because it's across the street from the Hotel Pennsylvania? :P
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Re: Moynihan station

Postby Backshophoss » Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:03 pm

It will always be called Penn station,no matter who runs the station complex
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