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NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby ConrailRailfan » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:49 pm

Hi, does anyone know why the Comet IV Cab Cars do not lead trains anymore?
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Re: NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby ALP46A 4662 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:14 pm

IIRC, I believe it has something to do with the cab signals not being up to date with today's standards.
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Re: NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby DutchRailnut » Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:41 pm

I think it has more to do with door, trapdoor and steps under engineers seat, and a local agreement with BLET.
the Alstom cab cars do not have that door and trap and have better seats and heat and safety.
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Re: NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby CNJGeep » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:55 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:I think it has more to do with door, trapdoor and steps under engineers seat, and a local agreement with BLET.
the Alstom cab cars do not have that door and trap and have better seats and heat and safety.


Comet IVs have none of those items.
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Re: NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby Passaic River Rat » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:08 am

DutchRailnut wrote:I think it has more to do with door, trapdoor and steps under engineers seat, and a local agreement with BLET.
the Alstom cab cars do not have that door and trap and have better seats and heat and safety.

You think wrong.
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Re: NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby SecaucusJunction » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:33 am

Isn't there a separate reason why they need to always be directly behind the locomotive?
I think it may be possible that NJ Transit might not be the perfect, infallible organization that most people assume it is.
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Re: NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby Olton Hall » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:19 pm

SecaucusJunction wrote:Isn't there a separate reason why they need to always be directly behind the locomotive?

I suspect it's because they have an end door that they can close that keeps the weather out far better than a little bar.
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Re: NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby ConrailRailfan » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:23 pm

Thanks for the replies, I guess they will just use them as regular cars.
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Re: NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby JamesRR » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:06 pm

I thought one reason was FRA structural standards. The older Comet cabs didn't meet newer requirements, hence all cabs are now the Comet V.
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Re: NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby NJT4207 » Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:15 pm

there are no steps under the engineer's seat on Comet 4's.
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Re: NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby sully7302 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:07 pm

JamesRR wrote:I thought one reason was FRA structural standards. The older Comet cabs didn't meet newer requirements, hence all cabs are now the Comet V.


That is a rumor considering Metro North has no problem running the same equipment on the other side of the Hudson.
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Re: NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby ChrisU » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:29 am

I thought it was an Amtrak restriction which prevented them from leading trains or is this not true?
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Re: NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby AmTransit » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:40 pm

None of those have anything to do with the Comet IV's not leading any longer. The Comet IV's are equipped with EPIC 3102 which includes a very old EPIC computer and other components of the air brake system which are no longer available. This and a few other things prevent them from leading but does not effect them from trailing at this time.
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Re: NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby ConrailRailfan » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:40 pm

Thanks for the replies. Are there any chances of them leading again if/when they upgrade them?
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Re: NJT Comet IV Cars

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:24 pm

ConrailRailfan wrote:Thanks for the replies. Are there any chances of them leading again if/when they upgrade them?



Chances are they're getting retired by the backside of the next MLV procurement after the Comet II's get mowed down. Interim fixes are most likely dependent on how much-delayed the MLV procurement is because of agency finances/dysfunction.
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