Remaining F40s

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Re: Remaining F40s

Postby philipmartin » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:10 am

We had an F40 pushing one of the 2300s eastbound on the Coast Line earlier this week. I looked twice because I haven't seen one here in a long time, maybe years.
I won't miss them. GM went from the very attractive curved lines of the "covered wagons" and "old face" buses to the (in my opinion) unattractive boxy looks of F40s and (the then) new style buses.
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Re: Remaining F40s

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Re: Remaining F40s

Postby Tadman » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:17 am

blockline4180 wrote: I guess you all like the NJT horns and paint schemes a lot better?????


What horns do the respective carriers use? Just curious. I rather enjoy the tone of a K5LA and P3.
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Re: Remaining F40s

Postby blockline4180 » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:58 pm

Tadman wrote:
blockline4180 wrote: I guess you all like the NJT horns and paint schemes a lot better?????


What horns do the respective carriers use? Just curious. I rather enjoy the tone of a K5LA and P3.


Both NJT and MTA west of Hudson engines use the K5LA, but I believe the MTA horns are restricted as are most of the NJT horns on the ALP's, PL42's, and most cab cars...
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Re: Remaining F40s

Postby philipmartin » Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:04 pm

"NJTArrow2"]Here's 4124 on 2313 at Middletown."
That's Middletown, all right. It was daylight when I saw it eastbound.
I wish that I could take motion pictures. Those deadheads go through at 50 or 60mph, whatever the speed limit is. We had one eastbound yesterday with two E46s pushing, blowing for the crossing, that put me in another world, (I was on the westbound platform looking.) One time we had a deadhead with the motor in the middle of the train. What a good gag video that would have been. You see mixed multilevel and single level consists occasionally.
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Re: Remaining F40s

Postby Matt Johnson » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:26 pm

philipmartin wrote:I wish that I could take motion pictures. Those deadheads go through at 50 or 60mph, whatever the speed limit is.


80 mph through Middletown.
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Re: Remaining F40s

Postby airman00 » Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:50 pm

First off... THIS is how a horn should sound! Loud and UN-restricted! Not these generic restricted horns NJT and others use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSou1Kx0veY

And keeping with the topic at hand I hope the remaining F40's hang on for as long as possible. :-)
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Re: Remaining F40s

Postby philipmartin » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:40 pm

That's quite a horn for a little old switch engine. I'm sure he needs it at that busy crossing.
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Re: Remaining F40s

Postby Tadman » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:03 pm

Didn't the FRA put in a rule that has minimum decibel levels, leading to that new sound on most newer engines where the horn is either on/off rather than the gentle ramp up that an engineer could once do if they modulated the horn cord?
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Re: Remaining F40s

Postby ACeInTheHole » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:18 pm

Yep. That regulation change is what ultimately cost 4112 its P5.
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Re: Remaining F40s

Postby Steve F45 » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:41 pm

So these choked off horns meet the fra decibel requirement? I mean that P5 you could atleast hear compared to most of the current K5's on njt.
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Re: Remaining F40s

Postby Tadman » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:25 pm

Yeah that's what I don't get. It seems like between the minimum decibal, the restrictions, and the quiet zones, you got a lot of contradictory BS promulgated by our helpful nanny state(s)... Ugh... At this point, why not just have the engineer whistle the theme to "Great Escape" as he/she rolls through crossings???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbsuAbTTsV8

(Sorry guys, that'll be stuck in your head for the next week!)
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Re: Remaining F40s

Postby 25Hz » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:30 pm

With so many newer cars having very robust NVH sound deadening (when you close the doors you can barely hear anything outside) wondering if these limits are a wise idea....
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Re: Remaining F40s

Postby ACeInTheHole » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:39 pm

25Hz wrote:With so many newer cars having very robust NVH sound deadening (when you close the doors you can barely hear anything outside) wondering if these limits are a wise idea....

Thats not the only problem Andy.. The bigger one is the amount of people who walk around these days with headphones and stuff in their ears. If some idiot is about to walk across the pedestrian crossing in Ho-Ho-Kus for example with Lady Gaga blasting in his ears with a Port Jervis express coming around the corner, youre gonna need an earsplitting horn to get his attention. Some of the Comet Vs in particular have dismal horns that I feel are not loud enough to get the job done in this situation.
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Re: Remaining F40s

Postby CNJ Fan 4evr » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:31 pm

4120 on Hackettstown trains last Monday 10/28/13. Saw it at Denville on M&E going east in morning then west at Lk. Hopatcong mid-day.
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