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Second Ave Subway Construction thru Phase I open

Postby JayMan » Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:25 pm

Though this may be old news here, I was reading around on the 2nd Ave Subway at the MTA's website.

http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/capconstr/sas/ ... _19_02.pdf
http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/capconstr/sas/pdf/2ndave.pdf

Here it is mentioned that as of those writings there was a discussion over the alignment in the vicinity of the Grand St station. I can't believe there is such a discussion -- considering the impact to the surrounding area and the alignment of the over all tunnel why consider anything other than the Deep Chrystie option?
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Postby Mr rt » Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:55 pm

Nothing concrete is likely to happen with the SAS, 2nd Ave STUBway, in our life time, so why bother talking about it ?
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Postby JayMan » Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:59 pm

I don't know that, and probably neither do you. As far as I see here there seems to be some progress towards this, so I guess we'll just have to see.
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Re: 2nd Ave Subway

Postby R142A » Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:38 pm

JayMan wrote:Though this may be old news here, I was reading around on the 2nd Ave Subway at the MTA's website.

http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/capconstr/sas/ ... _19_02.pdf
http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/capconstr/sas/pdf/2ndave.pdf

Here it is mentioned that as of those writings there was a discussion over the alignment in the vicinity of the Grand St station. I can't believe there is such a discussion -- considering the impact to the surrounding area and the alignment of the over all tunnel why consider anything other than the Deep Chrystie option?


What impact? It will be a positive impact! And the tunnel is already there (partially). The 2nd av subway has some portions already built. The walls of the Grand Street Station were meant to be torn down.
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Postby Mr rt » Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:50 pm

Three sections were built in the 1970s, however:
1. They aren't near each other, e.g. 99th to 105th; 110th to 120; and Chinatown.
2. They are "cut & cover", the current "plan" calls for deep bore, i.e. #1 is useless.
3. Currently it's in the "planning" stage with the TA already having too much on it's plate.
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Postby JayMan » Mon Apr 12, 2004 2:19 pm

Three sections were built in the 1970s, however:
1. They aren't near each other, e.g. 99th to 105th; 110th to 120; and Chinatown.
2. They are "cut & cover", the current "plan" calls for deep bore, i.e. #1 is useless.
3. Currently it's in the "planning" stage with the TA already having too much on it's plate


According to this http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/capconstr/sas/pdf/2ndave.pdf they plan on incorporating the pre-built tunnels into the new alignment.

I didn't think the TA would be that wasteful to not utilize work that's already been done.
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Postby efin98 » Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:34 pm

They might be able to utilize both forms of building, just incline before and beyond the sections already built and deep bore between them.
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Postby The Caternary Type » Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:48 pm

Not only that, but what are we going to call this 2nd ave subway and the b'way plan? 8? 0? H? I? K? O? P? T? U? X? Y?


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Postby JayMan » Mon Apr 12, 2004 9:55 pm

It'll surely be a "B" division outfit -- so my guess would be "T". As for the Broadway line, they'll probably route one the existing Broadway lines along it.
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Postby Otto Vondrak » Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:36 pm

Technically, since the City/MTA is building the line, that would make it "B" (a sort of "IND" route)... but it's location and proximity to Lex (and possible integration with the Lex) leads me to believe this would be more IRT in nature. I dont think they would use the "8" because it would be too confused with "A" so I say let's bring back the "10" train!

At any rate- I think by 2027, we could do fan trips on the Second Ave.

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Postby NIMBYkiller » Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:03 pm

They are building SAS to BMT standards. SAS will be given the letter T. The broadway connnection will simply be an extension of the Q.
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Postby The Caternary Type » Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:29 pm

What about expresess?
The T (2nd av lcl) the Q extended (2nd av /B'way exp) and the X( 2nd av exp)

Hey, it could happen...
Just hope they don't underestimate this
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Postby R142A » Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:50 pm

The Caternary Type wrote:What about expresess?
The T (2nd av lcl) the Q extended (2nd av /B'way exp) and the X( 2nd av exp)

Hey, it could happen...
Just hope they don't underestimate this


Definitely no express. They've already said only 2 tracks.
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Postby NIMBYkiller » Wed Apr 14, 2004 10:05 pm

The entire line will only be 2 tracks, which while it makes sense in the short run financially, is a BIG screw up.
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Postby GP38 » Thu Apr 15, 2004 6:50 am

The Caternary Type wrote:What about expresess?
The T (2nd av lcl) the Q extended (2nd av /B'way exp) and the X( 2nd av exp)

Hey, it could happen...
Just hope they don't underestimate this


There will be no 2nd Ave express. The line will be only 2 tracks. The is also no such thing that it will be an "IND" line or a "BMT" line because there are no such things.
It will be built to fit B Division equipment (former IND/BMT). The Q will be extended from 57th to 125th via 2nd Ave. The T will run the full length of 2nd Ave when the entire line is completed.

Of course this is the plan, but how many decades and plans have there been since the 1920's to do this.....
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