Second Avenue Subway Operations

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Re: Second Avenue Subway Operations

Postby ExCon90 » Wed May 24, 2017 2:38 pm

Washington has a fair number of outside escalators (I wondered about that when they put them in). Anybody know what their experience has been?
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Re: Second Avenue Subway Operations

Postby railfan365 » Wed May 24, 2017 3:59 pm

It could be that they just didn't think through all of the ramifications. Akin to the way that they didn't work out all of the bugs in the Hudson Yards station before opening it to the public, and they way that the 63rd Street Tunnel and the New South Ferry Terminal weren't adequately waterproofed on initial construction.
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Re: Second Avenue Subway Operations

Postby Head-end View » Wed May 24, 2017 7:01 pm

Washington D.C.'s system doesn't run 24 hours a day so there's a little less wear and tear.
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Re: Second Avenue Subway Operations

Postby deathtopumpkins » Thu May 25, 2017 1:01 pm

Outdoor escalators aren't exactly uncommon...
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Re: Second Avenue Subway Operations

Postby octr202 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:25 am

ExCon90 wrote:Washington has a fair number of outside escalators (I wondered about that when they put them in). Anybody know what their experience has been?


DC was built with many open air escalators (not even a roof over them). They've been plagued with problems (both exposure to weather and dirt, plus WMATA's lack of maintenance) and WMATA has been gradually building roofs over them as time goes on. You'd think this would have provided a valuable data point for consideration...
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Re: Second Avenue Subway Operations

Postby Chris Brown » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:24 am

The design of the Second Avenue Subway stations is a total ripoff of Washington DC. See pictures of DC's stations:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Washington_DC_metro_station_largo_town_center.jpg/1200px-Washington_DC_metro_station_largo_town_center.jpg

http://wtop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Metro_farragutnorth_AP.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Wheaton_Station_long_exposure.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/vcE3kEz6KHw/maxresdefault.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/43/79981517_5154c43980_b.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mQa5v1GsJlo/Vr4a156229I/AAAAAAAAJXI/2GTpCeWA_IU/s1600/176301054_5fbe73a583_o.jpg

I was visiting NYC and happened to ride the Second Avenue line. When I got off at the station I noticed right away it reminded me of DC. The vaulted ceilings and the long escalators. Its like they visited DC and just copied the design. Looks nothing like other NYC stations.
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Re: Second Avenue Subway Operations

Postby trainbrain » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:04 am

What's wrong with using that design in NYC? It's not like Washington DC had a copyright on their station designs.
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Re: Second Avenue Subway Operations

Postby Chris Brown » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:31 am

Well, it just takes away from the authentic look of NYC and its Subway. The coolest places in the world are unique. When you're in a place that feels like you could be anywhere else, its not as cool. Not a big deal really. Just an observation.

And to be fair, DC's newest Subway cars copy NYC's cars a lot. So it goes both ways.
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Re: Second Avenue Subway Operations

Postby eastwind » Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:05 pm

During rush hours, a small number of N trains are regularly scheduled to be rerouted from the Astoria line (via 59th Street) to 96th Street (via 63rd Street).
N trains normally cross over from the express track to the local track between 34th Street-Herald Square and Times Square-42nd Street and stop at 49th Street. Do these rerouted N trains remain on the express track between 34th and 57th Street skipping 49th Street, or do they cross over as usual between 34th and 42nd Street, stop at 49th Street, and cross back over to the express track at 57th Street to reach the 63rd Street tunnel?
Is this reroute done to relieve congestion in the 59th Street tunnel or is there some other reason?

On a related note, I have seen recent videos of W, M, and R trains on the Second Avenue line (and passengers unsure of whether to board).
How often does this happen, and why?
Do these trains replace normal 6-to-8-minute Q train frequencies, or supplement them, giving the Second Avenue line 3-to-4-minute headways?
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Re: Second Avenue Subway Operations

Postby rr503 » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:28 pm

I'm *pretty* sure they're express all the way, but IDK because the one time I've been on one was when there were signal problems on the local track there... They're scheduled both because the merge at 42nd can't take more trains, and because 2nd ave needs more servic than just the Q can provide.

All those trains go to 96th usually during GOs and reroutes simply because its the easiest and closest place to turn trains to the Manhattan CBD. The M will run there on weekends when the L shuts down. And they supplement.
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Re: Second Avenue Subway Operations

Postby eastwind » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:30 pm

rr503 wrote: They're scheduled both because the merge at 42nd can't take more trains, and because 2nd ave needs more servic than just the Q can provide.

Makes sense that 2nd Ave needs more frequencies during rush hours.

rr503 wrote:All those trains go to 96th usually during GOs and reroutes simply because its the easiest and closest place to turn trains to the Manhattan CBD.

I guess that means that the days of 57th-7th being a busy terminus are over for good.
The folks on the 2nd Ave line must be happy. From what I can tell from videos I've seen, it's well patronized at any hour.

rr503 wrote:The M will run there on weekends when the L shuts down. And they supplement.

Thanks for the info.
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