R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:41 pm

Which company are you talking about? CRRC or Kawasaki? And why were they banned from bidding?
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby ConstanceR46 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:51 pm

CRRC products have made it to South America, Africa and Europe. Them coming here is no big deal.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:48 pm

ConstanceR46, you're probably right. It is a changing world and I'm an old school guy. If someone would have said forty years ago that some day American Transit Agencies were going to be buying subway cars from China, nobody would have believed it. So for me it still seems kind of weird.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby Backshophoss » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:10 pm

CRRC will NOT be allowed to bid on fed funded projects, so it's BBD vs Kawasaki with Fed $$$$ involved. :wink:
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby GirlOnTheTrain » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:34 pm

Head-end View wrote:Which company are you talking about? CRRC or Kawasaki? And why were they banned from bidding?


Bombardier was forbidden from bidding on the 211's, and CCRC was going to submit a bid on the 211's by forming some sort of partnership with BBD. As for why BBD isn't allowed to bid on the 211's, I think this entire thread speaks for itself.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:49 pm

Okay...........and (with apologies for my ignorance) Backshopboss, who or what prohibits CRRC from bidding on Federally funded projects and what is the reason for that?
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby Backshophoss » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:10 pm

From the congress critters, after the major freight car builders raised a stink, fear of being undercutted by CRRC on new freight car builds.
This involves any new build transit/commuter/passenger equipment with FED $$$$$$$$$$ financing.
If private financed CRRC can bid.

With credit to "Crazy EDDIE" back in the day: "CRRC's prices are so low, there INSANE!!!" :P :P :P
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby tommyboy6181 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:50 am

NYCT has suspended R179 deliveries until further notice, citing problems with the door systems and HVAC software.
Link: https://www.thestar.com/business/econom ... ssues.html

There are a few interesting things here. First, the HVAC systems on the R179 are manufactured by Mitsubishi Electric. That company also provided HVAC for the R142A, R143, R160A, R160B, and the R188. Now I'm not sure if it was just Alstom and Kawasaki doing a better job with integration or what, but that was surprising to see.

Even more interesting is the door system that Bombardier uses on the R179. Instead of using Vapor or Fuji Electric which is used the other NTT cars, Bombardier went with Nanjing Kangni Mechanical & Electrical Co, which is based in Nanjing China. The first major US projects- Bombardier trains for NYCT and BART in San Francisco. Both projects- door problems. In Toronto with the Toronto Rocket trains that Bombardier built- door problems from Nanjing Kangni products which required rework.

I find it interesting that Bombardier is having all of these problems and not just with the R179 trains. BART trains will be late, Toronto streetcars are significantly late, and other projects worldwide are experiencing issues also.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby Jeff Smith » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:31 pm

Similar article: GlobalNews.ca

NYC transit chief slams Bombardier, halts rail car deliveries over problems

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Andy Byford told the state transit authority this week that New York City Transit will halt new train car deliveries until more of the existing cars are fixed.
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He cited “depressing” issues with the HVAC system software and past problems with springs between the cars and doors that were “weeping oil.”
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“We understand the frustration and we own the issue,” spokesman Eric Prudhomme said in an email Thursday evening.

Prudhomme said he expects the technical problems with the R179 cars, which run on several lines in New York City, to be fixed “shortly,” with 50 employees “working around the clock” at Bombardier’s plant in Plattsburgh, N.Y.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby ConstanceR46 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:05 pm

If i was in charge i'd use the cars delivered for something insular (the SIR or shuttles) and just find a new manufacturer.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:00 pm

How many R-179's are in-service now, and how many yet to be delivered?
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby GirlOnTheTrain » Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:45 pm

ConstanceR46 wrote:If i was in charge i'd use the cars delivered for something insular (the SIR or shuttles) and just find a new manufacturer.


You can't run them in pairs, so you can't run them on the Franklin shuttle without wasting money on platform extensions - which they would have done 20 years ago if they were going to do it.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby Head-end View » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:00 pm

Sets of four or five cars would work for SIRT on Staten Island.
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Re: R179 Procurement Delivery and Acceptance

Postby Kamen Rider » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:05 am

The first 10 car train is now in service testing on the A as of yesterday.
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