Danbury Branch Study (Ext to New Milford, Electrification)

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Re: Danbury Branch Improvements and Study

Postby Ridgefielder » Fri Jun 17, 2016 11:07 am

I'd take the hole. At least you dig the money up again.
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Re: Danbury Branch Improvements and Study

Postby Jeff Smith » Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:31 pm

I'd be ticked. Actually, I am ticked. All those years, phases, etc., and basically you get a two page brochure and a one paragraph summary. And that cost millions of dollars. And nothing except an upgrade that was going to happen study or not.
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Postby Jeff Smith » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:54 pm

(In my best Barbra Streisand voice) memories.... in this case, from 2007. Man, was I wrong.

Yes, I'm necroposting. Just reviewing some threads... :P

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Re: CDOT to study service to New Milford, CT?

Postby Jeff Smith » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:07 pm

From 2008. Funny how some things never change.... still broke!

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Re: Danbury Branch Improvements and Study

Postby Jeff Smith » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:23 pm

NewsTimes

The reason for the necro-posting above. What's old is new again....

Bill would provide upgrades to Danbury line

WILTON — State Rep. Gail Lavielle, R-Wilton, has called the Danbury branch line the “poor stepchild” of Metro-North Railroad since she was elected in 2011.
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“Given the state’s precarious financial situation, we feel that it is unlikely that any bill requesting the $400 million or more necessary for the full electrification of the branch line would be passed this year,” she said. “So we are taking the approach of trying to identify other less extensive measures that could improve service in cost-effective ways and to begin, at least, making progress.”
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The bill does not specify upgrades and costs to allow for input during the legislative session, Lavielle noted, and the dozen legislators have already started meeting with the state Department of Transportation and Gov. Dannel P. Malloy’s staff.
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Additionally, Lavielle believes improvements would help attract more passengers on the line. Despite the record-setting ridership of 40.5 million passengers on the New Haven Line line in 2016, figures provided by the state DOT show a 2.4 percent drop in ridership on the Danbury line in 2016 — although the agency reported a 0.5 percent increase in a press release published on Jan. 24.

Written testimony can be submitted to fintestimony@cga.ct.gov. Testimony must refer to HB 6553 at the start, and people must include their name and town. There is no limit on length for written testimony.


Anyone want to email them the thread? :P
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Re: Danbury Branch Study (Ext to New Milford, Electrificatio

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:16 pm

Well, at least they're not wholly distracted by electrification shiny things this time. That's an improvement in itself for Fairfield County politiciancritters.
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Re: Danbury Branch Study (Ext to New Milford, Electrificatio

Postby TCurtin » Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:39 pm

The utter ridiculousness of electrifying to Danbury doesn't keep that matter from coming up, coming up, and coming up again. Why ridiculous? Consider two points: 1. There is no operational or quality of service advantage in doing this. I grew up in Danbury in the 50s when the New Haven ran electrics there, and I rode them, and I still have the timetables. I can tell you categorically that the running time today with the diesel equipment they use is identical!!.
2. Metro North's efficiency won't be improved by eliminating diesel trains since the equipment is identical to that used on the Wassaic and Poughkeepsie trains, so they'll still have it on the roster.

Also, I might mention that it came up on this forum once before that MU's don't have sanders, and this lack can be a problem on the Danbury line. Is everybody out there aware of how hilly that branch is? The most notable is about 2.2 miles of 1.12 percent grade north out of Branchville.
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Re: Danbury Branch Study (Ext to New Milford, Electrificatio

Postby DutchRailnut » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:36 pm

and from Honey hill road till just south of old Georgetown, and between wall street tunnel and Perry Ave and - and - and :-)
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Re: Danbury Branch Study (Ext to New Milford, Electrificatio

Postby atlantis » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:56 am

It's understandable why some folks would like to see the line reelectrified. There is a perception by some people that removal of the original electric rail service to be some kind of "backwards progress" or regression. That being said, if it came down to a choice of electrification or expansion, I would rather have the latter than the former, with electrification perhaps occurring at an appropriate time in the future.
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Re: Danbury Branch Study (Ext to New Milford, Electrificatio

Postby NaugyRR » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:24 am

I agree with you atlantis regarding expansion vs. electrification. The upper Harlem runs just fine as a diesel operation, I don't think the Danbury branch would benefit from electrification as much as the pol's seem to think it would, at least not at this point in time. Right now I think track upgrades and expansion northward are the way to go here.
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Re: Danbury Branch Study (Ext to New Milford, Electrificatio

Postby Gilbert B Norman » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:49 am

Lest we forget how much Connecticut politicians know of railroads - or at least how to stay safe around them:

https://youtu.be/TkkPiilF_mI
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Re: Danbury Branch Study (Ext to New Milford, Electrificatio

Postby atlantis » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:50 am

Indeed, Naugy. As I always say, a diesel train is better than no train. Here in the Boston area, aside from the imperfections at the MBTA, we have gotten along fine with diesel train service. That being said, I believe electrification should be pursued, but only where warranted and after careful thought and planning
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Re: Danbury Branch Study (Ext to New Milford, Electrificatio

Postby RearOfSignal » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:32 am

NaugyRR wrote:I agree with you atlantis regarding expansion vs. electrification. The upper Harlem runs just fine as a diesel operation, I don't think the Danbury branch would benefit from electrification as much as the pol's seem to think it would, at least not at this point in time. Right now I think track upgrades and expansion northward are the way to go here.


The reason some people want electrification of the Danbury is so that they can ride the M8s straight shot into the city on the through trains. They feel slighted that they are paying for new trains yet they can't ride them except off-hours. Not saying that this is a valid reason, just that it is one reason.
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Re: Danbury Branch Study (Ext to New Milford, Electrificatio

Postby DutchRailnut » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:37 am

even if branch were electrified, only same amount of trains would go direct to New york, rest still would be shuttles.

and when new push pull trains will be ordered/delivered those branch line people will have newest and latest
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Re: Danbury Branch Study (Ext to New Milford, Electrificatio

Postby Ridgefielder » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:15 am

RearOfSignal wrote:
NaugyRR wrote:I agree with you atlantis regarding expansion vs. electrification. The upper Harlem runs just fine as a diesel operation, I don't think the Danbury branch would benefit from electrification as much as the pol's seem to think it would, at least not at this point in time. Right now I think track upgrades and expansion northward are the way to go here.


The reason some people want electrification of the Danbury is so that they can ride the M8s straight shot into the city on the through trains. They feel slighted that they are paying for new trains yet they can't ride them except off-hours. Not saying that this is a valid reason, just that it is one reason.

Don't discount local memory. People see the cat poles on the branch, see the 1950's-vintage pictures of EP3s at the head of a long string of shiny lightweight cars, conflate that with stories about how old mister so-and-so would have lunch in the diner of The Berkshire or drinks in the parlor car of The Housatonic, compare that to today and think "Electric = Better!"
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