CtDOT/SLE GP40-2H STATUS THREAD

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Re: Status of the SLE GP40-2Hs

Postby runningwithscalpels » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:27 pm

Where else do you think they service them? When all but a handful of their service either originates or terminates in New Haven do you really think they're going to service them in Stamford??
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Re: Status of the SLE GP40-2Hs

Postby fl9m2004 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:02 pm

That's true new haven would be best for them
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Re: Status of the SLE GP40-2Hs

Postby Jeff Smith » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:15 pm

Maybe these should be running W'Bury exclusively once the 8's get on SLE...
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Re: Status of the SLE GP40-2Hs

Postby Backshophoss » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:13 pm

When the M-8's are cleared for the 25kv wire,the former SLE equipment will startup the NHV-Hartford
commuter service.
ConnDOT should consider sticking a SLE set on the Waterbury Branch,seem to have better luck
then the BL20G mini sets! :wink:
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Re: Status of the SLE GP40-2Hs

Postby DutchRailnut » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:01 am

Right now after 3 years in revenue service, not one M-8 has been tested on 25Kv or with ACSES signaling , so those hoping to see M-8's on SLE may just as well give up.
add to that that M-8's can not be used at New London and New Haven line can't keep up with demand, makes operations east of New haven nothing but a pipe dream.
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Re: Status of the SLE GP40-2Hs

Postby NH2060 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:06 pm

Oh ye of little faith, Dutch! :-P

Keep in mid we're not even 3 months into 2014 and the 2016 start up date for NHHS could mean anywhere between January 1st or December 31st so there's still time for certain things to be figured out. New London is slated to get a set of high level platforms coinciding with the construction and opening of the Coast Guard museum so even if bridge plates are needed between the doors and the platforms (hopefully not, but regardless) the cars will be able to be used on New London trains. And considering how much CT has paid for these cars (including the apparatus, etc. to allow the cars to run on 25kv) it would be a waste of time and money to not use them for that purpose. Not that CT could just cut their losses and say "forget it", but still. I don't think any of us who have been tracking the M-8s' progress have expected any serious testing on SLE to begin until most if not all cars were delivered. Had there not been so many problems and delays over the past few years I'm sure there would have done the SLE testing by now.
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Re: Status of the SLE GP40-2Hs

Postby DutchRailnut » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:22 pm

keep on dreaming, there won't be cars available for SLE mark my words.
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Re: Status of the SLE GP40-2Hs

Postby Tadman » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:34 pm

Related question - when CDOT leased, then bought, the Gennies, did they consider some used F40's? That was about the time that there was a glut of used Amtrak F40's on the market, and it would've meant parts commonality to the SLE GP40 fleet.
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Re: Status of the SLE GP40-2Hs

Postby DutchRailnut » Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:00 pm

no, the F40's were not usable without extensive overhauls, and it is problem getting them upto EPA specifications.
The Amtrak F40's only had the parasitic HEP and would have had to be rebuild with separate HEP and main engine upgrades.
The 6 Genesis went in immediate service on Metro North and only later were released for SLE pool when Bl20gh's came online.
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Re: Status of the SLE GP40-2Hs

Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:42 pm

The MBTA's F40PH "Screamers" are identical to Amtrak's in having no dedicated HEP. Loud, smelly diesel-guzzlers they are. There's no aftermarket left for those except low-rent excursion carriers, shortlines that don't care about pulling freight with a cowl unit if the damn thing just works, and commuter rail lend-lease where somebody takes them on ultra short-term to run into the ground then discard. That's not CDOT. They need something rehabbable and game for another 10 years of service, not 2. More good-condition Geeps such as the MBTA's pending dispersals, for instance.

The P40's likely have a lot of life left in them with GE targeting its HSP-46 -platform drop-in upgrade kits at early-1990's makes like the Gennies and F59PH/PHI's. Those are the kinds of aftermarket locos that can get remade to modern standards and greatly extended service life. Taking late-1970's tech like an F40 (even from the slightly more modern 1980's and early-90's production runs) and trying to overhaul it means creating some unholy Frankenstein vehicle. It's just not worth it. It's a nearly 40-year-old make. Its time has passed, like the F10's of 10-15 years ago. So, increasingly, are passenger-class Geeps. The ones with recent or pending rebuilds will be kicking around a good while longer, but there are no longer enough parts left to take the most worn out of Geeps still in daily commuter service and put them through a 3rd or 4th extended life. The passenger aftermarket's going to drift to the 15-years-newer design and much more easily modifiable F59's and Gennies...especially when the glut of to-be-replaced Amtrak and state-owned Amtrak surplus starts hitting the market.


Good-condition Geep rehabs in the short-term, "kit"-upgraded Gennies in the mid/longer-term is probably how CDOT's going to most easily feed its escalating power needs when NHHS hits full-blast frequencies and other non-NHL/SLE service expansions like increased branch frequencies, New Milford extension, or Hartford-Waterbury enter the picture.
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Re: CtDOT/SLE GP40-2H STATUS THREAD

Postby Jeff Smith » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:34 am

From the "Unofficial MNRR" FB page and our own Dutch:

From a very reliable source, someone got wise at ConnDOT, 6694/6695/6698 all tied together in NHV with NREX reporting marks (overhaul finally ?)
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Re: CtDOT/SLE GP40-2H STATUS THREAD

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Re: CtDOT/SLE GP40-2H STATUS THREAD

Postby NaugyRR » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:10 am

I can see why they're giving the contract five years, that's a pretty extensive overhaul laid out in the bid spec
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Re: CtDOT/SLE GP40-2H STATUS THREAD

Postby chrisf » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:04 pm

It looks like NRE is only allowed 450 days for delivery from notice to proceed, however.
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