FL9AC rebuilds and disposition

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FL9AC rebuilds and disposition

Post by L'mont » Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:47 pm

When and Where were these units rebuild? I saw a picture of one in Elmira Heights. I know that there is a CAF USA facility there and an Adtranz proceeded it.

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Re: FL9 AC Info

Post by DutchRailnut » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:20 pm

The original rebuilt was to be done at Republic locomotive works in North Carolina.
but after banckrupcy of Republic the first two were moved to Elmira at ABB.
All 10 units were ultimately rebuilt at ABB in Elmira (later Adtrans)
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Re: FL9 AC Info

Post by MN-P32AC-DM-201-227 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:27 pm

Are they all scraped now? I remember seeing a photo of one being cut up.

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Re: FL9 AC Info

Post by Otto Vondrak » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:13 pm

MN-P32AC-DM-201-227 wrote:Are they all scraped now? I remember seeing a photo of one being cut up.


Yes, the scrap metal scraped across the ground when they were all scrapped. ;-)

I think the first units went out for rebuild in 1993? They were all cut up around 2005.

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Re: FL9 AC Info

Post by MN-P32AC-DM-201-227 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:39 pm

Otto, Great photos. I believe one of the LIRR FL-9's were named Mike O' Conner. (301/300??) I'll never forget the ride I had on 2042 years back.

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Re: FL9 AC Info

Post by brnxvill » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:08 am

Yes, great photo's but at the same time, it makes you cringe that these were not preserved somehow....

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Re: FL9 AC Info

Post by Otto Vondrak » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:45 am

brnxvill wrote:it makes you cringe that these were not preserved somehow....


As what, paperweights? Doesn't make me cringe, the FL9AC's were garbage. And we have plenty of FL9's preserved in museums around Connecticut, as well as an active fleet up on the Maine Eastern... Besides, they had modified the FL9 so much to make the AC version that they just weren't the same...

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Re: FL9 AC Info

Post by RearOfSignal » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:04 am

Otto Vondrak wrote:FL9AC's were garbage.

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I don't think we should talking like thought about one of our members. FL9AC. :wink:
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Re: FL9 AC Info

Post by Otto Vondrak » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:24 am

RearOfSignal wrote:
Otto Vondrak wrote:FL9AC's were garbage.

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I don't think we should talking like thought about one of our members. FL9AC. :wink:


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Re: FL9 AC Info

Post by Clean Cab » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:42 am

The sad part of this whole project was that LIRR FL9-AC #301 was former NHRR FL-9 #2000 (MNRR #2025). It to was scrapped with the others. Both original NHRR FL-9s are now gone.
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Re: FL9 AC Info

Post by MN-P32AC-DM-201-227 » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:58 pm

What was the idea behind the FL-9AC's? Was the idea there to turn the whole FL-9 fleet into AC's? Any one know what the price tag was to rebuild these locomotives?

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Re: FL9 AC Info

Post by Clean Cab » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:09 pm

The idea was to see if AC traction motors could work instead of DC motors which require more maintainance and produce less horsepower. It was a sound concept, but to put all this unproven high technology onto 30 year old frames just didn't make much sense. I've heard that the first FL9-AC cost over $10 million dollars and the other 9 weren't that much cheaper.
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Re: FL9 AC Info

Post by MN-P32AC-DM-201-227 » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:41 pm

Thanks capecodlocoguy, MN could have bought 2 P32ACDM's for that price.

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Re: FL9 AC Info

Post by DutchRailnut » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:45 pm

When the FL9ac concept was born the AC propulsion was fairly new, only one CP rail Alco. a Amtrak F40ac were tried, the FL9ac was introduced at about same time as F69PHAC's for amtrak, The GE units were not even on the drawing board, and even AC for freight was more of dream than reallity.
basicly the FL(ac was a demo project, were EMD/siemens lost and GE learned vallueble lessons.
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Re: FL9 AC Info

Post by MN-P32AC-DM-201-227 » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:41 am

Whats the advantage to having AC traction motors, as a pose to DC Traction motors? More pulling power, or higher voltage?

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