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Generations of Shoreliners?

Postby oknazevad » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:47 am

(Split off from this thread: http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=56094&start=15. Thanks Otto!)

Slightly off-topic question, though. That page lists only 2 generations of Shoreliners, but I always thought there were 3. Then at the open house a few weeks ago, there was one labeled as a "Shoreliner IV." So, without starting a whole new thread, how many generations are there?
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Re: Original Metro North Passenger Cars

Postby M1 9147 » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:13 pm

1's which were the MN cars with no center door.

2 which is the CDOT non-center door.

3 which is the lower 6300's, and cab cars 6301-6310 (With engineers door).

3b which is the higher 6300's-6400's (including cab cars 6311-6320 no engineers door).

4 which are the center-doored Shoreliner CDOT cars (Red stripe). This has 2 cab cars 6221-22, and coaches 6280-6287.

In all, there are 5, but also added are the ex-West Of Hudson Pool Coaches which was called Comet IIA, and Comet IIB which has a few physical differences, but more noticeable in the step configuration at the doors. A had 3 steps, and the B had 2 steps. If you add the Comet's, it is 7.
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Re: Generations of Shoreliners?

Postby oknazevad » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:06 am

Thank you.
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Re: Generations of Shoreliners?

Postby DutchRailnut » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:44 pm

There are 4 classes and they have nothing to do with CDOT cars, their cab cars fall in first two and in last series.
First series is end doors with cab indicators being light bulbs
Second series is end doors with Cab indicators being a LED panel.
Third series centerdoor with regular folding seat and desktop brake stand
Forth series centerdoor with fixed enginers seat and no door at engineers side
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Re: Generations of Shoreliners?

Postby Clean Cab » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:04 pm

The Bomb cars are classified by their order number from Bombarier. The first batch are called "Project 19s", the second group are "Project 21's", then "Project 34's" (SLE cars), followed by "Project 38's" (Center door cars) and finally "Project 38A's" (Also center door cars). The last Bomb cars to arrive were 10 CDOT Project 38A's in 2001/2002.
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Re: Generations of Shoreliners?

Postby ATK » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:32 pm

OK, great. So we've identified the five different contracts (19, 21, 34, 38 & 38a) -- now who can identify what car road numbers were built under which contracts?
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Re: Generations of Shoreliners?

Postby Erie-Lackawanna » Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:51 pm

More importantly...Why would anyone care? ;-)

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Re: Generations of Shoreliners?

Postby oknazevad » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:01 am

So, if I'm interpreting this correctly, the 19's are I's, the 21's are II's, the '38s are III's and the 38a's are IV's (but should be called IIIa's). The 34's weren't originally for MN, so they are sequence breakers.

As for why, largely to fix up the wikipedia article on Comets, which misidentifies them. I know, I'm a geek.
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Re: Generations of Shoreliners?

Postby Kaback9 » Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:44 pm

oknazevad wrote:So, if I'm interpreting this correctly, the 19's are I's, the 21's are II's, the '38s are III's and the 38a's are IV's (but should be called IIIa's). The 34's weren't originally for MN, so they are sequence breakers.

As for why, largely to fix up the wikipedia article on Comets, which misidentifies them. I know, I'm a geek.


NO thats actually great that your fixing up the article its terrible!
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Re: Generations of Shoreliners?

Postby M1 9147 » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:00 pm

Thanks guys for adding the contract #'s! I now learned something new with what the Shoreliners were interpeted as!
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Re: Generations of Shoreliners?

Postby DutchRailnut » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:06 pm

Here is previous posted roster info, total amount of Push Pull cars is 201 cars.

From MNCR Named car topic:
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Metro North (MTA) cars) Blue window band.
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6101 STORM KING(cab)
6103 HALF MOON (cab)
6105 TEAR OF THE CLOUDS (cab)
6107 CLEARWATER (cab)
6109 SCENIC HIGHLANDS (cab)
6111 THE MARIA MITCHELL COMET (cab)
6113 SENESQUA FLYER (cab)
6115 THE KNICKERBOCKER (cab)
6117 SUGAR MAPLE (cab)
6119 MANITOGA (cab)
6121 ICHABOD CRANE (cab)
6123 AMERICAN EAGLE (cab)
6125 former WHO cab 5175 no name
6127 former WHO cab 5176 no name
6129 former WHO cab 5177 no name
6131 former WHO cab 5178 no name
6134 former WHO 5986 no name
6136 former WHO 5987 no name
6138 former WHO 5988 no name
6140 former WOH 5989 no name
6142 former WOH 5990 no name
6143 former WHO 5980 no name
6144 former WOH 5991 no name
6145 former WHO 5981 no name
6146 former WOH 5992 no name
6147 former WHO 5982 no name
6148 former WOH 5993 no name
6149 former WHO 5983 no name
6150 ELEANOR ROOSEVELT
6151 HENRY HUDSON
6152 POUGHKEEPSIE
6153 DUTCHESS
6154 COLD SPRING
6155 WASHINGTON IRVING
6156 BEACON
6157 WESTCHESTER
6158 NEW HAMBURG
6159 PUTNAM
6160 GARRISON
6161 THOMAS WOLFE
6162 PEEKSKILL
6163 THELONIUS MONK
6164 MONTROSE
6165 JOHN CHEEVER
6166 CRUGERS
6167 RAVEN'S WAY
6168 THE MAHICAN
6169 THOMAS COLE
6170 EMPIRE STATE
6171 THE WATER LEVEL
6172 THE NORTH STAR
6173
6174 MATHEW VASSAR
6175 WORKING CLASS HERO
6176 SAMUEL MORSE (WOH name changed) Sloatsburg
6177 SHAD RUN
6178 GEORGE CLINTON (WOH kept same name)
6179 BANNERMANS ISLAND
6180 ROBERT FULTON (WOH name changed) Middletown
6182 SALISBURY MILLS_CORNWALL
6184 JAMES FENNIMORE CLINTON
6186 NELSON ROCKEFELLER
6188 SOJOURNER TRUTH
6190 COMMODORE VANDERBILT


61** CORTLANDT maybe 6173 ?????

MNCR owns 20 CD cab cars 6301 thru 6320 including even numbered cab cars with toilet
MNCR owns 83 CD coaches 6330 thru 6474, some numbers missing as not every other car was toilet trailer


CONNECTICUT DEPT of Transportation fleet Red window band

6201 THE CONNECTICUT YANKEE (cab)
6203 THE DANBURY HATTER (cab)
6205 THE NUTMEGGER (cab)
6207 THE COAST WATCHER (cab)
6209 THE CHARTER OAK (cab)
6211 THE CONSTITUTION STATE(cab) at SLE ?? wrecked, Waterbury branch
6213 CANDLEWOOD LAKE (cab)
6215 THE BIRMINGHAM (cab)
6217 YANKEE DOODLE (cab)
6219 THE HUSKING BEE (cab) at SLE as 1687 , wrecked 2007 in Devon (hit roll of container truck) at Stamford Heavy repair, july 2008
6221 Red Center Door (cab) not named
6222 Red Center Door (cab) not named, ## wrong, as toilet car should be 6223
6229 THE SLEEPING GIANT (ex SLE cab 1697)
6230 J.P. MORGAN ex SLE 1614
6232 HARRIET BEECHER STOWE ex SLE 1616
6234 UNCAS ex SLE 1640
6236 CEDAR HILL ex SLE 1642
6238 ELI WHITNEY ex SLE 1644
6240 GOVERNOR JOHNATAN TRUMBULL ex SLE 1646
6250 GOVERNOR JOHN N. DEMPSEY
6251 MOUNTAIN LAUREL
6252 GOVERNOR ELLA T GRASSO
6253 NATHAN HALE
6254 GOVERNOR RAYMOND E. BALDWIN
6255 NOAH WEBSTER
6256 BETHEL
6257 P.T. BARNUM (ex bar coach)
6258 BRANCHVILLE
6259 CHARLES IVES
6260 REDDING
6262 WILTON
6264 NORWALK (ex Bar coach)
6266 CANNONDALE
6268 FAIRFIELD COUNTY
6270 GOVERNOR. WILLIAM O”NIEL
6272 ROGER SHERMAN
6274 THE BRASS CITY
6276 THE NAUGATUCK VALLEY
6278 BEACON FALLS

1691 MARK TWAIN (SLE cab)
1693 THE YANKEE CLIPPER (SLE cab)
1695 THE CONNECTICUT RIVER (SLE cab)

6281-6288 are 8 center door cars (red stripe) owned by CDOT, no names


Thanks to info from Ed Ohms of Fleet managment.
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Re: Generations of Shoreliners?

Postby ATK » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:31 pm

Erie-Lackawanna wrote:More importantly...Why would anyone care? ;-)

Jim


Well, for those of us that work on these cars, knowing which road numbers were built under which contract is important for.... oh say, looking up the correct electrical schematics, or finding a part in the correct parts catalog and the like.

I've already asked this question from Harmon and the response I got was: (silence) So, either that's because they don't know the answer, or because its a big secret. Neither would surprise me.
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Re: Generations of Shoreliners?

Postby Otto Vondrak » Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:13 pm

Oh man, in another five years we'll be looking at the 1984 order of Shoreliners for preservation candidates! I can see it now, a solid set of red-stripe Shoreliner coaches heading up the Naugatuck Valley behind a CDOT FL9...
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Re: Generations of Shoreliners?

Postby DutchRailnut » Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:51 pm

Not very likely since the 1984 shoreliners are being overhauled in Dansville,NY, they will be good for another 15 to 20 years
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Re: Generations of Shoreliners?

Postby Kaback9 » Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:36 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:Not very likely since the 1984 shoreliners are being overhauled in Dansville,NY, they will be good for another 15 to 20 years


Much smarter than what NJT is doing, replacing most equipment with MLs.
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